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explore the bazaars

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or e-ticket ride into the world of the

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strap yourself here as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports it's so dark out there

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Connecticut you can hear the crickets

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and boy there's some gravel over here I

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get out Jesus second it's really pitch

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black you'll see you think we'll see

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anything strange tonight you know we're

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not only successful we go where we got a

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sky watching hmm well you never know

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though what do you think that that giant

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triangle is that's coming our way

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seems to be getting awful close to me

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that wasn't it's stopping overhead if we

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hadn't been looking up we we might have

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could it be one of those back engine

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aircraft they're testing out in area 51

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better go inside the K cor radio studio

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Tina told us to keep off the

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extraterrestrial highway all right well

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I hope it doesn't catch us it's getting

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mighty close we better speed up let's go

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all right okay I'm having a little heart

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out of breath oh boy okay here comes

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that triangle but it was it might not

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get us I hope that was a close call

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mm-hmm you know every week we seem to

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have a close call I don't know how we

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manage all these situations it's either

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us or the listeners having a close call

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well I'm sure they can't wait for

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another exciting episode and we got one

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tonight don't wait to yes yes we do is

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yeah I'm really it's I love it when we

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can get some of our best guests back on

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again and tonight is no exception we

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have with us once again our good friend

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Ben Edwin Jones and and and that's been

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the porter then the porter that's right

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yeah yeah with the New World Order

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yeah well and and also with us tonight

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is Michael shret who's also making a

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return visit to exploring the bazaar so

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for those out there who don't remember

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now we'll start with Ben now Ben is a

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research blogger and filmmaker on

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controversial subjects on his blog

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website HPA NWO which stands for

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hospital porters against the new world

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order that sounds like the title for a

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really great movie I'd go and watch

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favor of the New World Order when our

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beds website is dedicated to the latest

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news views and reviews of the world of

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government cover-up ghosts UFOs

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knowledge forbidden history and

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archeology chemtrails and even hospital

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Porter's even though Ben I guess has

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ventured away from that job now but he

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also posts videos containing his

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political comments and often uses

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satirical characters to get his point

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across now Ben had worked as a hospital

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porter for 22 years and

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had a exemplary record until being

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suspended because of the material he

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posted on his blogs website I would for

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this story before with that behind him

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he continues to support hospital porters

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and other NHS employees in addition to

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his tireless research in areas that far

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too many clearly fear to tread Benton

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gives lectures about these touchy

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subjects at events all around the United

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Kingdom also with us tonight as I said

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before is Michael strat now Michael is a

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lectured across the country on the

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unique subject of mystery aircraft which

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first book published through global

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communications dealt with secret black

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budget crafts a while ago so after a

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cure but Michael's interest includes

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classified propulsion systems that are

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buried deep within the

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military-industrial complex and he has

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developed a number of contacts which

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have had first-hand experience dealing

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with classified black programs including

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former United States Air Force pilots

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engineers that have maintained a top

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secret as CI security clearance and in

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an effort to expose government fraud

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waste and abuse

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Michael devotes much of his free time

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researching aerospace technical

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documents conducting interviews and

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traveling to multiple University

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Archives and as a concerned citizen it's

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his belief that it is our constitutional

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obligation to question authority and

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demand an accounting of special access

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programs that bypass congressional

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oversight and public scrutiny and I'm

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all for that

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so Michael Ben thank you very much for

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being with us on exploring the bizarre I

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we're all here hanging out in different

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parts of the world actually or maybe

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maybe maybe places that art part in the

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world hey Michael you know what I wanted

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a kick off here recently I get well it's

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not that really now it's over a year ago

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the New York Times and a lot of the

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I had this report in there about the the

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military running a black op project to

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study UFOs kind of behind the scenes

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even though they claim that the you know

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Project Blue Book was closed and that

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was the end of when we find out now as

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if we couldn't have guessed it that they

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really have continued their studies now

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a part of this level of these

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revelations were the release of several

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videos maybe gun camera footage I'm not

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exactly sure what circumstances that

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they were taken under would you consider

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the this what do you think about the

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report in in general this black ops a

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project that continues they were to go

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in continue to go on and how does it

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kind of tie in with your research good

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question thanks again for the best way I

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can answer that is to always refer back

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to Lockheed skunkworks because it

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certainly appears that all roads lead

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back to the Burbank skunk works a good

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friend of mine Jim Goodall personally

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knew Ben rich Ben rich was a head of

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skunk works between 1975 to 1991 been

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passed away in 95 just prior to Ben's

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passing Jim got a telephone call in to

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been rich and been rich basically pulled

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Jim Goodall over the phone quote Jim we

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have things and in the better desert

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that are 50 years beyond what you can

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comprehend if you've seen it on Star

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Wars or Star Trek we've been there done

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that or decided it wasn't worth the

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effort so when we hear these craft being

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attempted to be intercepted by

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f-18 pilots we cannot underestimate

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Ben's statement because that's well

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within that 50 years that Ben was

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talking about so all bets are off

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regarding these configurations no but

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would not the the military of pilots I

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guess they are and that's a military

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pilot so much because obviously they're

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not going to know what's going on but

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the fellow who was behind this project

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would he not be familiar with some of

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these things that are taking place

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other sealed-off locations it's

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debatable even if some of the house and

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need to know some of the deep black

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skunk works were so darn black that they

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they were born black they dyed black and

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they will remain black you'll never hear

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anything about a quick quick example oh

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and this isn't Ben Ritchie's book skunk

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works there was an incident where a

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general by the name of Robert bond who

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was basically a part of the f-117a

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program he was getting very concerned

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that sort were being taken off his f-117

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program and to a classified ad program

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well he saw this particular lock at the

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skunk works in Burbank and he knew that

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it was associated with a navy project

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because he was at the Pentagon and he

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was familiar with those programs and so

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what he did is he demanded been rich to

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open up this door at the skunk works and

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you're not cleared for it and this

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general came back to Ben and said then

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if you don't open up that door right now

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break into there he finally got into

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there and there was a number of naval

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personnel working on the sea shadow so

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here's a good Excel for general who was

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not briefed about another skunk works

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program going in at the skunk works at

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the same time the f-117a is so they

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do compartmentalize these programs now

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here's a timely question the elderly of

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mr. Bush a corset passed away and he

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among his duties he was head of the CIA

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for a period of time there is a rumor

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floating around that he would know about

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either such a projects or maybe the only

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one or a few of those to know about such

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projects and if there was anything to

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Roswell or some of these some of you

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have hope crashes he might be among the

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handful that were privy to such

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information would you agree on that or

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what is your thank you I absolutely

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agree on that he's one of the three

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people I think do know so it's George

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Herbert Walker senior Bush I believe

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knew a good portion of it Dick Cheney

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and then bill periods as well so three

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individuals who probably have a need to

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know and know a lot more than we do well

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quite a big secret I mean okay I can see

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we don't want to tip off I was gonna say

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the Russians but they seem to be our

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buddies these days we don't want to rip

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off some of the the NATO or some of the

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power or Britain maybe we don't wanna

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tip off up and those that we don't want

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to tip off which may change on a regular

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basis about some of these secret

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projects but isn't it if we did tip

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people off to this or other countries

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off to this wouldn't this be kind of a a

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deterrent more than I mean if they knew

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that we had things that were 50 years

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ahead of what is commonly acknowledged

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you'd think that they would be you know

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like not so easy to relax I point and I

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one quick thing to keep in mind is one

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reason why they keep these programs

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black is because he who controls the

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high ground controls the world so if you

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can control the high ground in a

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battlefield you

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absolutely control the world and some of

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the programs that you know hopefully

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a couple of different categories they

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have some terminology they actually use

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these are actual spook terms that use

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within the industry these programs are

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called silver bullets they're also known

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as trump card technology and they're

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also know a sin the whole technology as

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target we want to take out we'll send in

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one of our quote unquote silver bullets

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like the f-117 a to neutralize the

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target and be done with it well have we

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done that we we certainly have done that

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but to keep in mind to though is this

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really all begins you know to to go back

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in time in here the news week June

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eighth nineteen eighty one they

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highlighted in their article between

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1981 and 1986 during this five-year

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Reagan build-up period we spent 1.5

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trillion dollars on military defense and

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then later on Aviation weeks biology

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stated that eight years of Reagan

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administration were very good to the

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black world that was December 24th 1990

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so you can see this Reagan build-up had

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this exponential growth within black

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programs and certainly we hope to talk

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about some of those tonight okay so

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we've ascertained that it could be or it

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may be that some of these things that we

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see in the sky that our pilots even

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chase could be ours but does that leave

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out the fact that some of them could not

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be ours no I believe that there is a

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core of reality to this phenomenon not

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everything out there is a black budget

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program did did we did we copy it from

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is it back-engineered mmm-hmm yeah

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that's that's the that's the 64 million

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dollar question I don't have enough to

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bridge that gap I don't know who does

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I've heard the rumors there are good

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stories but there

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no physical evidence or really good

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paper trail to break that down to make

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to bridge a gap I'm not saying it's not

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possible but I personally don't know

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well okay we open the show here with a

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little vaudeville sketch that we do

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every week kind of lampooning the the

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the triangle sightings but one of the

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best

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reports of women trying triangle well

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two of them what would be the Phoenix

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lights of course and the other one would

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be the the Westchester rare sightings

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back in the 80s what's your what's your

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take on the the Phoenix lights I mean

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this thing traveled you know what 300

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miles down the highway and hovered and

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made no sound and that may or may not

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have been photographed I don't know if

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the the events later on in the night

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were flares or not flares or I don't

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know what what's your digest of the

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Phoenix lights okay quick question do

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you recall March 13th 1997 what day that

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was okay well I know I know it's a

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Thursday it was a Thursday March 24th

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1983 was a Thursday I've got multiple

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reports of the quote-unquote Aurora

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booming the Los Angeles are you always

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on a Thursday and always the last

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Thursday of the month and this goes on

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and on and on all the way through the

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Reagan administration up until late

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1990s maybe early 2000s so it appears

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that there's a pattern recognition here

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and we're talking about test flights of

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classified aircraft on Thursday nights

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at least on a Thursday and we can really

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pin this down because we've got the

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testing from people you mentioned the

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Hudson Valley boomerang that was 82 to

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89 we're looking at 25,000 eyewitnesses

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reported this massive boomerang shaped

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craft I do feel quite a few yeah yeah

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yeah hovered almost

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silently over the Taconic State Parkway

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people who were directly below it

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reported seeing tubes pipes and

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cylinders on the bottom of the craft

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they also reported multi-coloured

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flashing lights that went off in

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sequence the reason why I'm bringing

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this up is because this is the same type

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mechanical understructure that we've

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seen on the Belgium triangle that's

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1989-1990 getting back to Phoenix lights

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people who said they saw this crap said

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it was transparent or translucent you

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could see through it and this goes back

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to the Air Force 2025 report talking

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about an airborne a holographic

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projection technology so that's what we

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could be looking at with the well you

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know but the okay now you take the the

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Westchester sightings actually I just

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ran into someone a couple of months ago

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who had seen I had seen the object use

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working in a hotel there on the Hudson

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River where I'm staying and we chatted

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for briefly but now if you go back in

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the history of the Westchester Valley

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you'll find that there were sightings

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and things going on in that area long

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before you know the the Wright brothers

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and yeah and and the the same of course

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in various parts of the the west of the

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Southwest if you go back to 1897 or

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before that even you get reports of

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strange objects in the sky some of which

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even had humanoid to pilots that landed

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and chatted up ranchers and farmers and

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the average guy in the the streets so I

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mean I don't think it's a unless the

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black projects include time travel which

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somebody might suggest that it possibly

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does you got to admit that these are

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strange things that are seen in the sky

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go back long before you know the CIA or

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area 51 yep yep I agree

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Linda Zimmerman did a really good job oh

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yeah he's with pre

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historical cases of ufology early 1900s

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long before the Reagan administration

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long before Kelly Johnson got the

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skunkworks oh I agree with you they

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don't appear to be all man-made craft

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any chance that there might be some

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revelation it's at some point in the

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future on a black program within the

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aerospace industry yeah yeah what would

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be the next thing they're breaking that

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we might you know I mean it is something

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what you gotta but you would think that

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well we got to let the cat out of the

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the bag I mean you can't hold this

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information for what forever yeah I mean

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what's the nervousness yeah we're way

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overdue for a revelation the last the

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last classified program that was

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Declassified put within the public

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domain was October 2002 during the Bush

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administration with the Boeing phantom

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arts bird of prey that was the last

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black aircraft program they acknowledged

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you know that was a man program there

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there is at least 12 other programs out

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there that were procured during the

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Reagan administration that have never

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been Declassified so there's still some

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birds out there that we don't know about

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and what do they do that the birds that

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we know about what do they do that the

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the birds that we know about don't you

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what yeah what makes them so more

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powerful you know why can't what do they

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do

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I mean what's the what's their their

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operational well anytime they let

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something go it's already one to two

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generations obsolete at that time so

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when they D when they decommission the

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f-117 in 2008 they already had something

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else flying at that time we'll give you

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a quick example there is something out

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there called the a16 it's a Mach 4

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strike reconnaissance aircraft and it

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has a very interesting feature that has

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drooping wingtips

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that has still not been

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I've got some good information on that

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particular bird one couple of quick

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announcements while we're all here I'm

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offering and I hope all of you receive

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the PDF files that I sent you I'm

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offering a $5,000 cash prize for anyone

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who can complete my been rich f-117a

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stealth but private word puzzle and then

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another $5,000 cash prize for anyone who

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can complete my b-2 stealth bomber

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crossword puzzle by 11:59 p.m. this

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Sunday night well okay well I'll be I'll

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be sharpening my pencil my number-two

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pencil right right after the right after

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the show you know I I heard and I don't

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remember how many years ago six seven

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years ago it was on the news maybe once

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or twice about some aircraft that had

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traveled from the east coast to the west

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coast in like and in a twenty minutes or

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something like that but then you never

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heard you never heard anything more

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about it I mean that would be incredibly

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fast yeah well think of it this way in

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1990 we retired the sr-71 okay that's a

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matter of a historical effect then later

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on in 1994 it came out of retirement we

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should ask the question why did they

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bring the Blackbird out of retirement I

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don't want to read too much here but let

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me hit you with a statement but there's

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a fourth time because we've got a break

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up of that pit yep well we'll be right

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back you can do this conversation on

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and Kings lists alright welcome back

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to exploring the bizarre right now we're

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talking with Michael strat and in just a

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few minutes we'll bring Ben Emelyn Jones

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Ben the quarter into the conversation

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but I wanted to allow Michael to

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continue his thought because we had to

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interrupt him and go to our break so

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Michael Tim Beck Lee had asked you about

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an aircraft that he had heard it you

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know made it from coast to coast and 20

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minutes and you were referencing the I

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think it was the Blackbird yeah this is

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a statement by Richard Helms ex-cia

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director he says the national security

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demands that we keep supplying new

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generations of surveillance aircraft to

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our policymakers there is no way to

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replace the vital data provided by

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piloted airplanes satellites lack the

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flexibility and the immediacy that only

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a spy plane like the YouTube can provide

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no president or intelligence agency with

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only worn eye open in such an uncertain

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and dangerous to believe what he's

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saying here so to me personally I think

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this is the rosetta stone for a

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quote-unquote aurora type reconnaissance

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aircraft mm-hmm well yeah I mean

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considering that the the the aircraft

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earth-2 referring to was originally put

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into operation it was early 1960s is

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that is that correct

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1962 was the a12 1964 was the sr-71 so I

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mean considering how far back that was I

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mean the advances in technology that we

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have now are probably a you know

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unbelievable absolutely let me hit you

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with another quick thing here this is to

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been rich Lockheed skunkworks director

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from John Andrews date October 23rd 1989

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called back-end of something on taxiway

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at Groom Lake low-frequency very high

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amplitude vibration even a tile shook

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the sides of the bus uses 20,000 feet of

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runway to roll out Mach 10 liquid

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methane fuel so we we've got more than

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one report of it back of the aircraft

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this is also confirmed by aviation week

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as well mm-hmm all right well okay now

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before we big been in I want to ask you

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because you were talking earlier about

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some of these sightings taking place on

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a Thursday

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now why is Thursday significance okay

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Thursday is significant because Monday

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Tuesday Wednesday is pre-flight there

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stays the test flight Friday's debrief

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Saturday Sunday there's nobody there

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that's why Thursday has almost always

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been reserved for test flights so then a

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lot of these sightings of especially you

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know like boomerang and and black

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triangles occur on a Thursday because

546
00:27:37,980 --> 00:27:36,910
this is what they this is when they take

547
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:37,990
them out and run them through their

548
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:47,160
alright so then why do they run them

549
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:51,190
through their paces over populated areas

550
00:28:00,480 --> 00:27:55,950
with these big bright flashing lights

551
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:00,490
strobes different colors you know you

552
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:03,070
have these triangular shaped craft with

553
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:04,660
it you know like a big spotlight in the

554
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:07,090
middle there are bright lights on on

555
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,220
either end I mean they're it's it's

556
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:10,960
almost like they're screaming Here I am

557
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:19,500
one just just looking at it from my

558
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:21,910
perspective one reason might be is

559
00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:24,210
they're trying to use the quote-unquote

560
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,200
extraterrestrial phenomenon to cover

561
00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:28,000
their own deep black programs and then

562
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:30,700
when there is a sighting of one of these

563
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:33,610
what they use is the supermarket

564
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:35,350
tabloids as

565
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:38,970
a way to cover their own blunt aircraft

566
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:42,789
Testaments there are no more supermarket

567
00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:47,049
tabloids at least not reported on UFOs

568
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:49,000
well you know and that makes sense

569
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:51,730
because you know you know as well as I

570
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:53,470
do that there are a lot of people that

571
00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:56,380
if you start talking about UFOs you know

572
00:29:02,669 --> 00:28:59,230
their eyes glaze over and that you know

573
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:02,679
that's that's it for them so you know

574
00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:04,650
you could you could be flying around

575
00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:08,260
practically any kind of top-secret craft

576
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,659
and as long as you know that that you

577
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:12,880
know UFO extra-terrestrial name has

578
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:15,450
somehow gotten latched on to it you know

579
00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:17,490
people aren't going to believe it

580
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:20,740
mm-hmm the way was described to me is

581
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,990
that we're dealing with a 400 piece

582
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:25,120
puzzle but we only have 200 of the

583
00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:28,630
pieces and the CIA has uses this

584
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:31,960
strategy of denial for fears why stop

585
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:34,360
now so they're gonna continue to muddy

586
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:35,740
the waters when something is actually

587
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:40,870
seen all right well okay now Ben you've

588
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,070
been listening to this conversation and

589
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:47,700
you know I mean I know for a fact that

590
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:52,919
the UK has been they experienced a

591
00:30:00,990 --> 00:29:57,850
number of black triangle flaps in the

592
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,000
past I mean so you know listening to

593
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:04,720
what Michael is saying I mean do you do

594
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:08,500
you think that a majority of these of

595
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:12,220
these sightings are some kind of of you

596
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:17,130
know top-secret black magic aircraft or

597
00:30:21,299 --> 00:30:20,169
whatever why sir

598
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:21,309
it's I don't know I don't know about

599
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:23,770
proportions you know but I do I think

600
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:26,110
that's a certainly a possibility for

601
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:28,450
some some of these particular sightings

602
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:30,250
for example the Sheffield incident I

603
00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:31,510
don't if Michael was heard of that one

604
00:30:36,539 --> 00:30:33,280
but that's a very large very large

605
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,549
object actually some people describe it

606
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:38,799
as the size of a ship at sea an

607
00:30:42,659 --> 00:30:40,780
ocean-going ship actually flew over the

608
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:42,669
city of Sheffield and the surrounding

609
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:44,980
area and it was a black equilateral

610
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,880
triangle in profile which is sung

611
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:49,620
which is interesting considering that

612
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:50,910
these things we've seen as Belgium

613
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:53,130
Michael mentioned Belgium and several

614
00:30:57,890 --> 00:30:55,110
other places I think there are there

615
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,900
appear to be some that the don't appear

616
00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:00,000
to exhibit behavior you'd expect from an

617
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:01,260
aircraft from our boundary they're

618
00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:02,970
Crawford's as hovering over houses and

619
00:31:06,890 --> 00:31:04,679
sometimes they're seen in association

620
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,900
with being strange beings and things

621
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:08,580
like that but it's quite it's quite

622
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:10,830
likely that we were looking at two

623
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:12,150
separate phenomenon we may have

624
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:14,970
generically categorized together this

625
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:17,250
it's pretty obvious that some we're

626
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:18,179
living in a world where there is

627
00:31:23,539 --> 00:31:20,970
essentially bifurcated between the

628
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:23,549
ordinary folk and the interior of the

629
00:31:27,770 --> 00:31:26,130
state industrial corporate complex where

630
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,780
they essentially live in what Richard

631
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:29,220
Richard Dolan calls a breakaway

632
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:30,570
civilization I mean this kind of

633
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,380
technology is extraordinary and you know

634
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,659
we're so far ahead of what's publicly

635
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,520
available that it takes your breath away

636
00:31:41,899 --> 00:31:40,080
I mean I've had to think about this an

637
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,909
awful lot and I've studied some of

638
00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:43,740
Michael's work because I've just

639
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:46,340
finished writing a trilogy of novels a

640
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:49,289
fictional scenario of what would happen

641
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,130
if some of this esoteric technology

642
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:56,159
became publicly available so it's been a

643
00:32:00,169 --> 00:31:57,720
big part of my thought process for many

644
00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:00,179
years now and I'm fascinated by it

645
00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:02,280
interestingly there's a there's a new

646
00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:04,950
hangar at area 51 I was looking up I was

647
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,150
looking up about it's just couple years

648
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:08,340
ago and it was reported by some of the

649
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:11,010
area 51 watches that this was a very big

650
00:32:14,419 --> 00:32:12,809
tall hangar which was my toes right at

651
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:14,429
the other end of the runway away from

652
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,650
the main hangars and buildings as if

653
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,720
they even wanted to keep it secret or it

654
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:20,220
would maybe have some kind of volatile

655
00:32:23,779 --> 00:32:22,260
fuel that they wanted to keep separate

656
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:23,789
for safety reasons from the rest of the

657
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:28,950
facility and this is maybe the aircraft

658
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,049
that some Michael was talking about they

659
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:33,600
these are the what did you call him

660
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:34,860
Michael not the a-10 that was the old

661
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:38,370
spy plane the one with the trees this

662
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,289
could be associated with the Black Star

663
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:43,260
program mmm it could be them it's a very

664
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:44,610
large hangar one of the largest ever

665
00:32:47,779 --> 00:32:45,059
built

666
00:32:50,299 --> 00:32:47,789
and it's very tall as if this thing

667
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,309
might have a very tall tail plane rather

668
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:52,799
than the the flat profile of the-- or

669
00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:54,200
the flat sir

670
00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:56,790
look the flat lookers say the b-1

671
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:00,210
stealth bomber so I'm interested to know

672
00:33:05,009 --> 00:33:02,230
where we find out more information

673
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:05,019
well I do know that the United States

674
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:09,460
and and Great Britain have been involved

675
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,409
in top-secret aircraft research and

676
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:16,960
development for a number of years I know

677
00:33:23,549 --> 00:33:21,279
that there was a document that was that

678
00:33:25,019 --> 00:33:23,559
was handed over and Michael you'll have

679
00:33:28,649 --> 00:33:25,029
to remind me what the name of this was

680
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:28,659
that was based on information that was

681
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:31,990
taken from Nazi Germany after the end of

682
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:33,809
the war collect together I think it was

683
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:36,730
handed over in the 1960s Mike that's

684
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,610
yeah well done that's well done it was

685
00:33:43,289 --> 00:33:41,440
called the Dawson report that's it

686
00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:43,299
that's it okay all right personal report

687
00:33:48,659 --> 00:33:47,230
are you familiar with that wood bed no

688
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:48,669
I'm not I'm familiar with Operation

689
00:33:52,529 --> 00:33:50,529
Paperclip which is much earlier I mean

690
00:33:55,889 --> 00:33:52,539
this is the end of World War two but not

691
00:33:58,499 --> 00:33:55,899
the Dawson report no okay so what

692
00:34:01,440 --> 00:33:58,509
Michael want to tell us what the Dawson

693
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:01,450
report is yeah the reference for this is

694
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:04,990
Jane's Defence weekly September 4th 1996

695
00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:08,290
a relationship under wraps US and UK

696
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:10,359
stealth and what they talk about here is

697
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:12,669
that there is an ongoing strong

698
00:34:17,129 --> 00:34:14,889
relationship between the aerospace

699
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:17,139
industry of the US and UK it's been

700
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,690
going on for years it's very strong they

701
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:21,520
reference something called the Dawson

702
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:24,369
report which was basically something

703
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:28,740
that was put together by the UK after

704
00:34:36,359 --> 00:34:33,250
all of the intelligence agencies started

705
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:36,369
basically vacuuming up Nazi stealth

706
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:38,250
technology that was put into three-ring

707
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:41,589
binders and given to the Washington DC

708
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:43,089
sometime after the Kennedy

709
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:45,129
administration that's what the article

710
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:53,770
states anyway hmm interesting so I think

711
00:35:03,690 --> 00:34:58,240
it was in the early 1990s been that

712
00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:03,700
there had been a number of black

713
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:06,069
triangle UFO sightings you know over

714
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:08,050
Great Britain and it got to the point

715
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,450
where I think the government and and you

716
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:12,880
have to correct me on they're so good

717
00:35:20,059 --> 00:35:15,890
they had to put on what is it

718
00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:20,069
do you notice em notice our under the

719
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:22,460
press to stop him from reporting on its

720
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:24,990
um I don't know specifically a teen

721
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:26,670
notice was sent out but I do know that

722
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,529
some there have been many many sightings

723
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,480
of various strange objects in the sky

724
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,940
which have not been reported in full by

725
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:35,160
the media yet and they do circulate

726
00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:37,710
within the UFO field there were among

727
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,220
independent researchers and also that

728
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:42,359
many of the witnesses are very credible

729
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:45,770
people some of them I have experienced

730
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:47,970
events we should change their lives and

731
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,859
they firm they some of them have

732
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,180
suffered enormously in terms of their

733
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:53,460
career but they still speak out about it

734
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:55,020
there's been several pilots who have

735
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:56,940
mentioned this and several military

736
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,880
personnel it's one chap I know who used

737
00:36:04,339 --> 00:36:01,680
to been the our Royal Air Force he and

738
00:36:07,549 --> 00:36:04,349
he essentially he saw the Sheffield

739
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:07,559
object when he was on duty in in the

740
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:10,380
Royal Air Force and it's essentially

741
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:11,849
changed his life it's like something

742
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,130
amazing happened and it's so he's

743
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:16,680
developed an interest in this subject so

744
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,690
it's kind of like an open secret really

745
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:20,760
within in our country certainly and

746
00:36:28,789 --> 00:36:22,410
Britain has a more than its fair share

747
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:28,799
of UFO sightings the how about the bet

748
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:29,970
waters there

749
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:32,670
well of course so the the bed was they

750
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:34,410
would be Woodbridge Bentwaters base the

751
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:35,579
site of the Rendlesham forest incident

752
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:37,410
that's gotta be one of the most famous

753
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,980
UFO events in the entire world this was

754
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:43,920
in 1918 at Christmastime there's a

755
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:46,500
number of US Air Force personnel in the

756
00:36:51,769 --> 00:36:50,430
at that time it was an American base saw

757
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:51,779
some very strange things in the woods

758
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,020
services and on a number of successive

759
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,420
evenings in a nighttime very strange

760
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:59,220
case indeed and there lots been written

761
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:00,839
about this a lots been said about it and

762
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:02,940
a lot of controversy associated with it

763
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:04,650
but obviously something very odd

764
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:07,710
happened in those few days in that

765
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:12,119
particular wood near those two bases why

766
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:15,089
and I don't know if you do this but I

767
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:19,020
think it was the the day before the the

768
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:21,900
first bet water sighting you have the

769
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:26,339
cash Landrum incident that that's a very

770
00:37:30,319 --> 00:37:28,049
odd coincidence isn't it I mean there

771
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,329
it is sighs the world I know that the

772
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:32,400
ladies involved in that particular event

773
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:34,650
I mean they suffered health problems as

774
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,420
a result of their encounter and

775
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,160
strangely enough some of the witnesses

776
00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:41,099
to the Rendlesham forest incident also

777
00:37:45,799 --> 00:37:43,589
suffered health problems too as if

778
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:45,809
there's some effect some property of

779
00:37:50,359 --> 00:37:48,119
these objects affects human health may

780
00:37:51,739 --> 00:37:50,369
be through ionizing radiation maybe some

781
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:51,749
other mechanism we're not familiar with

782
00:37:58,459 --> 00:37:53,910
but they they are ill these guys a lot

783
00:38:01,309 --> 00:37:58,469
of them well I to throw in a plug for

784
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:01,319
our own work here we have a book called

785
00:38:08,929 --> 00:38:06,359
UFO hostilities the evil the aliens evil

786
00:38:12,969 --> 00:38:08,939
agenda and we have many reports in there

787
00:38:18,309 --> 00:38:12,979
where witnesses have have been burned or

788
00:38:21,819 --> 00:38:18,319
undergone some detrimental procedure or

789
00:38:25,249 --> 00:38:21,829
incident after their sighting or

790
00:38:28,699 --> 00:38:25,259
encounter there possibly might have been

791
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:28,709
even some human mutilations I don't know

792
00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:32,609
how well a document they necessarily are

793
00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:35,279
but there are some of my cases that seem

794
00:38:45,339 --> 00:38:42,539
to point in that direction I mean it it

795
00:38:49,029 --> 00:38:45,349
certainly seems that that our own

796
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:49,039
governments would not be testing such

797
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:52,380
volatile objects in an area where they

798
00:38:59,380 --> 00:38:56,729
might hurt our own citizens now of

799
00:39:03,079 --> 00:38:59,390
course cache land them which is a very

800
00:39:05,419 --> 00:39:03,089
interesting case and this incident we

801
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:05,429
had to a mother and daughter and then a

802
00:39:13,189 --> 00:39:08,910
grandson saw this object I'm pretty low

803
00:39:15,769 --> 00:39:13,199
over there automobile and rural area in

804
00:39:21,049 --> 00:39:15,779
Texas there but what makes the the

805
00:39:24,140 --> 00:39:21,059
sighting probably even more bizarre is

806
00:39:27,019 --> 00:39:24,150
the fact that they reported that the

807
00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:27,029
this object which was a diamond shaped

808
00:39:37,189 --> 00:39:32,359
in this particular case was escorted by

809
00:39:39,319 --> 00:39:37,199
about 20 black helicopters now how does

810
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:39,329
that tie in I mean there's that prove

811
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:41,730
that this diamond-shaped

812
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:47,820
object that apparently injured some of

813
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,540
our own citizens was something that was

814
00:39:58,340 --> 00:39:54,960
manufactured there right here it doesn't

815
00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:58,350
I'm not sure it could do it well it

816
00:40:01,040 --> 00:39:59,940
could mean the black helicopters could

817
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:01,050
have been actually in some way

818
00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:02,609
intercepting or monitoring something

819
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:04,230
that came from somewhere else either

820
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:06,570
possibilities is real and I would like

821
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,840
to actually speculate on the moral

822
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:11,460
scruples of the government quite frankly

823
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,700
because Ok Go Ahead Porter yeah but I'll

824
00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:19,619
tell you but I'll tell you that some

825
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,840
it's whatever these craft are I mean

826
00:40:25,070 --> 00:40:23,040
when people become sick in their

827
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:25,080
vicinity it could be a result of some

828
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,609
kind of weapon it could be a deliberate

829
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,380
intent on the part of whoever or

830
00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:30,960
whatever is behind that the technology

831
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:33,600
of the object being observed or it could

832
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:34,920
be an inadvertent effect of the

833
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:39,150
properties of being there so it could be

834
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:42,780
or even or even more outlandish we do

835
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:45,900
have some cases in fact that we've had a

836
00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:47,820
fellow on our program a couple of times

837
00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:52,230
dr. Bruce Cornett but other witnesses

838
00:40:58,450 --> 00:40:55,950
have reported to the morphing of objects

839
00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:58,460
where UFOs can change shape and

840
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:01,980
sometimes perhaps in the shape of

841
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,900
helicopters or or airplanes or I mean

842
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:09,119
there's some speculation I don't know

843
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,670
what evidence so you see in this that

844
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:14,640
the the planes that hit the World Trade

845
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:16,650
Center may not have been planes at all

846
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:18,510
well you know I I don't know it's

847
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:20,310
another mystery you know yeah I finally

848
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:21,570
have I just been talking to someone

849
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:23,430
who's got in touch with me and they said

850
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,020
that they've had many encounters with

851
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,440
what you might call UFOs and

852
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:29,760
extraterrestrial beings in their life

853
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:32,070
and they've also were chased by

854
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:34,320
helicopters at several times a very low

855
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:35,730
level helicopters low enough so they

856
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,470
could see the pilots face so that's

857
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:39,119
extremely low I mean very much lower

858
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:41,570
than most aircraft fly in our airspace

859
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:45,119
then some people who study the UFO

860
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:46,890
phenomena and say that this what they're

861
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,330
actually seeing is not really a

862
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:49,920
helicopter and it's some kind of screen

863
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:53,280
memory that the the forces behind these

864
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:55,260
particular objects have the ability to

865
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:56,040
change

866
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,010
we perceive things so that's an

867
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:01,380
interesting element there so yeah it's

868
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:03,240
an it's interesting this person has got

869
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:06,060
just got in touch with me now well you

870
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:08,130
know that's that's interesting to me

871
00:42:12,590 --> 00:42:09,900
because I mean as you well know here in

872
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:12,600
the United States and it hasn't been as

873
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:15,540
much recently but I mean you know 10 10

874
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:18,570
years ago there was the just a whole big

875
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:21,090
thing about the the the the black

876
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,290
helicopters you know harassing people

877
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:30,660
but you know there's been a number of

878
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:34,140
cases that really weren't that widely

879
00:42:44,290 --> 00:42:39,330
known publicly of you know UFO witnesses

880
00:42:48,110 --> 00:42:44,300
who found themselves you know spotting

881
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:48,120
unusual helicopters over their houses on

882
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:51,230
a daily basis that had never been there

883
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:54,090
before I mean you know before they're

884
00:42:58,580 --> 00:42:55,830
there say like the UFO encounter or

885
00:43:00,200 --> 00:42:58,590
whatever and where you said that they

886
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,210
were low enough that they could see the

887
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:02,460
pilots faces I mean I know that I've

888
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:05,010
talked to a couple of people who said

889
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:07,110
the exact same thing that these

890
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:10,050
helicopters would hover over their house

891
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,060
or their backyard and that they were so

892
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,520
low not only could they see the hell you

893
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,560
know the the pilot races but if they had

894
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:18,900
say like a rock or a softball that they

895
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:20,790
could have lobbed it up and and you know

896
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:25,380
hit the pilot it was that close far

897
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:27,150
stranger than that base I know I've

898
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:29,370
heard many reports like this and it's

899
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:31,500
disturbing that these are these kind of

900
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:35,160
discussions these kinds of sightings are

901
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:37,550
associated with the very sinister

902
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,080
mutilation phenomenon that Timothy

903
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:41,880
mentioned it's it's a very very a

904
00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:45,540
worrying thing and of all the animals

905
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:47,550
that are affected by this you have farm

906
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:50,370
animals wild animals pets marine mammals

907
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,920
and Homo sapiens is not exempt and so

908
00:44:01,040 --> 00:43:58,140
there are there's a guy called Toni Dodd

909
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:01,050
who's ufologist in Britain and some

910
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:03,480
Britain sees we expect particularly

911
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,260
affected by this

912
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:06,660
he has she passed away sadly but he had

913
00:44:09,590 --> 00:44:08,610
a friend of who he interviewed and was

914
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:09,600
featured in his book

915
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:11,850
who claimed to have been involved in

916
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:13,050
this because the government used to

917
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,430
actually take an interest in this and

918
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:16,440
he's to send in Special Forces units to

919
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:18,630
to cover it up and clear away the

920
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:20,130
evidence and this man was involved in

921
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:22,110
one of these cleanup teams very and he's

922
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:23,700
he's recently came forward again with

923
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:26,670
another researcher Richard E Hall so now

924
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:27,930
this is this is very very worrying

925
00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:29,550
indeed and we don't know why we don't

926
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:32,100
know why who or what is doing this some

927
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:33,180
people say it's a secret government

928
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:35,670
experiment I don't know because if you

929
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:36,990
want to get hold of farm animals for

930
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:39,510
experiments it's it's easier and quicker

931
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,610
and cheaper simply to buy them from the

932
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:44,160
market like everyone else does so I

933
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:45,750
don't know there's no real reason

934
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:47,070
because people say the aliens are

935
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,900
harvesting DNA well why can't I just

936
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,460
take a hair off her head like the police

937
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:52,440
do you know and she don't need to take

938
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,510
cup huge areas out of a person's body to

939
00:45:02,570 --> 00:44:57,440
take their DNA it's a very strange case

940
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:02,580
we well know we we had a retired police

941
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:07,260
officer who they found a body on top of

942
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:09,390
the coal pile that was up about 13 feet

943
00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:13,890
you know the railroad yard and there was

944
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:17,600
no way that it could have gotten there

945
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:19,860
presumably I mean today was a rainy

946
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:23,640
night and anyway the body might have

947
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:26,520
been he suggests dropped from somewhere

948
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:30,570
up above and I believe Tim wasn't the

949
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,620
the individual who was found I wasn't

950
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:37,920
part of his skull or his top part of his

951
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:42,680
head question he had some kind of

952
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:46,710
unusual wounds that really was not

953
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:50,310
specified I guess for whatever reason I

954
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:53,670
I guess it was it was classified but

955
00:45:59,300 --> 00:45:56,010
they were willing that were unusual

956
00:46:01,580 --> 00:45:59,310
enough at his last name was a damn ski

957
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:01,590
Adamski sick of minatom ski yeah not

958
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,660
George Adamski no no relations although

959
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:08,720
I I have done a little bit research and

960
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:12,960
the name Adamski is a lot more common in

961
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:15,030
England that it would be here in the US

962
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:18,870
so sorry about on the show was it yeah

963
00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:20,760
oh my god for yes yes that's correct

964
00:46:23,059 --> 00:46:22,860
that was a strange case because the the

965
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,069
guy

966
00:46:27,289 --> 00:46:25,380
literally been dropped now I mean could

967
00:46:28,489 --> 00:46:27,299
have been a helicopter that deposited up

968
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:28,499
there there's no other vehicle I can

969
00:46:31,279 --> 00:46:29,640
think of who could actually the could

970
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,289
actually deposit a man on top of a coal

971
00:46:35,449 --> 00:46:33,359
pile without living black footprints

972
00:46:37,549 --> 00:46:35,459
everywhere but a helicopters very noisy

973
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,559
and this was in Todmorden a very very

974
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:40,079
busy bustling tightly packed town where

975
00:46:49,789 --> 00:46:45,660
it would have woken people up he had a

976
00:46:52,579 --> 00:46:49,799
UFO abduction of his own sometime after

977
00:46:56,509 --> 00:46:52,589
he investigated this incident when he

978
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,519
was a soul in the police where he

979
00:47:00,739 --> 00:46:58,319
famously yes he went on television and

980
00:47:02,269 --> 00:47:00,749
talks about it and so yeah yeah yeah we

981
00:47:04,819 --> 00:47:02,279
have a check we only get really get the

982
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:04,829
best we only get the best guess I know

983
00:47:13,249 --> 00:47:11,249
why true that's why I'm here but it was

984
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:13,259
like you were saying I mean some of

985
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:17,630
these circumstances are so bizarre that

986
00:47:21,229 --> 00:47:20,099
they really don't seem to have any

987
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:21,239
meaning you know it's like you were

988
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:23,430
saying that you know mr. danske you know

989
00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:24,690
I mean he could have been dropped onto

990
00:47:30,799 --> 00:47:27,479
the coal pile from a helicopter but why

991
00:47:31,999 --> 00:47:30,809
you know I mean you know you're talking

992
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:32,009
about say like you know cattle

993
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:35,249
mutilation or animal mutilation that you

994
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,130
know if there were some kind of you know

995
00:47:43,219 --> 00:47:41,339
like government research to look for say

996
00:47:44,779 --> 00:47:43,229
like radiation in the environment or

997
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:44,789
some kind of contamination in the

998
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,849
environment why go and steal somebody

999
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:50,160
else's cattle when you can have your own

1000
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:53,640
out in a field someplace and you know do

1001
00:47:57,949 --> 00:47:55,049
the experiments on them with nobody

1002
00:48:00,529 --> 00:47:57,959
noticing it's like but dealing with a

1003
00:48:02,509 --> 00:48:00,539
mindset really which is which is how

1004
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:02,519
answerable that's for both wise you know

1005
00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:05,249
that's right all right well we are at

1006
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:07,019
our top of the hour break so when we

1007
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,579
come back we'll continue our

1008
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:10,559
conversation with our most excellent

1009
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:25,450
explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

1010
00:48:31,210 --> 00:48:27,910
into the world of the paranormal

1011
00:48:35,490 --> 00:48:31,220
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1012
00:48:38,609 --> 00:48:35,500
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1013
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:38,619
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1014
00:48:44,859 --> 00:48:41,000
cryptozoology as well as other

1015
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:44,869
dimensions it's time to take back the

1016
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:50,000
night now your electrifying hosts of

1017
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:53,089
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

1018
00:48:59,890 --> 00:48:58,160
team sports alright welcome back to the

1019
00:49:02,260 --> 00:48:59,900
second hour of exploring the bizarre I'm

1020
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:02,270
Tim Schwarz tonight we're talking with

1021
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:06,050
Ben emmalin Jones and Michael Charette

1022
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:10,430
and Michael I want to ask you a couple

1023
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:14,290
of years ago there were a couple of

1024
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:17,480
photographs taken by civilians of some

1025
00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:22,160
unusual triangle-shaped aircraft flying

1026
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,580
over I think one of them may been shot

1027
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:27,280
over Colorado and the other one over

1028
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,369
Arizona and the the press made a big

1029
00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:33,200
deal of it for about you know a few days

1030
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:35,960
and and that was the last you ever

1031
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:39,200
anybody ever heard about that are you

1032
00:49:44,859 --> 00:49:41,540
familiar with the situations they'll

1033
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:44,869
talk about yes I am that was something

1034
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:48,050
that Stephen Douglas was involved in

1035
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:51,050
he's an aircraft Reese yes what they

1036
00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:54,470
looked like were perhaps two to three

1037
00:49:58,839 --> 00:49:56,869
b-2s flying in formation but it had a

1038
00:50:01,210 --> 00:49:58,849
different trailing edge and they were

1039
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:01,220
almost translucent indicating the

1040
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:03,970
possible use of electrochromic panels

1041
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:06,230
now okay explain to us what

1042
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:08,030
electrochromic panels are because I know

1043
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:11,240
you had referred to those earlier yeah

1044
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:13,369
this is a technology where they take an

1045
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:15,290
image of what's above an aircraft the

1046
00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:17,210
electronically transfer it to the bottom

1047
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:19,430
surface allowing it to essentially blend

1048
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:21,530
in with its background causing it to

1049
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:24,170
become almost invisible so that could be

1050
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:26,210
what we're looking at now there's

1051
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:27,980
another technology called flickering

1052
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:29,630
skins and so

1053
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:32,210
at this point we've reached the point

1054
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:34,910
where they can do a Desert Storm strike

1055
00:50:40,539 --> 00:50:38,270
but not in nighttime but they can do the

1056
00:50:43,569 --> 00:50:40,549
same mission in daytime now they've got

1057
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:43,579
daytime stealth technology well I know

1058
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:46,510
that there have been a number of

1059
00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:49,849
eyewitness reports of people seeing you

1060
00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:53,329
know like the giant black triangles

1061
00:51:02,710 --> 00:50:58,190
flying over their house and they would

1062
00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:02,720
say that they could see the outline but

1063
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,000
it looked like that they were projecting

1064
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:08,480
like the the the star field on the

1065
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:11,569
underside at them but I think it's still

1066
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:13,400
they could still tell the difference

1067
00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:16,910
especially when the triangle was so

1068
00:51:24,279 --> 00:51:19,700
close to the ground that they had an

1069
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:24,289
almost oppressive feeling that is

1070
00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:26,930
exactly how Officer Craig Stevens

1071
00:51:30,490 --> 00:51:28,700
describes the January 5th southern

1072
00:51:33,099 --> 00:51:30,500
Illinios flying angle that's it

1073
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:33,109
basically his words exactly that it was

1074
00:51:39,010 --> 00:51:35,510
trying to mimic the star field above it

1075
00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:39,020
on the underside so this is January 5th

1076
00:51:45,490 --> 00:51:42,859
2000 there were also interesting kind of

1077
00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:45,500
a mechanical structure was seen on the

1078
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,140
bot bird to act like ghosts or was itwas

1079
00:51:58,329 --> 00:51:56,000
and then this particular craft when it

1080
00:52:00,220 --> 00:51:58,339
departed it departed like a spark off a

1081
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:00,230
grinding wheel and left no sonic boom

1082
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:04,910
signature hmm all right so this this

1083
00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:08,170
really interests me because we have

1084
00:52:13,569 --> 00:52:11,660
stealth technology you know the the b-2

1085
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:13,579
bombers and I mean this was something

1086
00:52:21,339 --> 00:52:18,079
that was being worked on gosh was it as

1087
00:52:23,859 --> 00:52:21,349
far back as the early 1970s with the was

1088
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:23,869
enough to have blue aircraft is that my

1089
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:26,299
favorite my correct with all right all

1090
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:29,170
right so okay so now we also then

1091
00:52:37,089 --> 00:52:32,450
seemingly at the same time we have these

1092
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:37,099
really massive triangle-shaped aircrafts

1093
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:40,250
that seem to be working on a completely

1094
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:42,210
different type of

1095
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:47,099
nology so I mean are we seen aircraft

1096
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:48,630
being developed say you know by the same

1097
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:50,460
company by Lockheed but they're just you

1098
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:51,960
know they're using you know one of them

1099
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:53,490
is using conventional jets and the other

1100
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:57,839
ones using you know God knows what I

1101
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,260
think it some mix it's multiple

1102
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,800
different kind characters the UK they

1103
00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:06,480
have their own triangles as well but

1104
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:07,830
when you look at the eyewitness

1105
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:10,230
testimony they keep describing this

1106
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:12,750
thing these tubes pipes and cylinders on

1107
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:14,670
the bottom of the craft and then this a

1108
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:17,099
low-frequency electrical humming noise

1109
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,020
like a transformer or a sewing machine

1110
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:21,480
is reported in multiple different cases

1111
00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:23,490
so we've got Belgium Triangle

1112
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:25,589
we've got southern Illinois Triangle

1113
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:27,930
we've got Hudson Valley bloomerang 82 to

1114
00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:30,540
89 what I think they're doing is they're

1115
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,060
using these tubes pipes and cylinders as

1116
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:35,940
a liquid nitrogen cooling device to turn

1117
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,859
the entire bottom surface of the craft

1118
00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:39,839
into a superconductor that's what I

1119
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,070
think they're using and you know they

1120
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:45,440
have you know Hudson Valley

1121
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:48,089
you know UFOs I mean that was that was

1122
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:50,070
quite a while back so this is the

1123
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:53,490
technology though that has been around

1124
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:56,730
for for quite a while it's been around

1125
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:01,440
for 35 40 years we're approaching we're

1126
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:03,240
looking at almost four decades they've

1127
00:54:07,310 --> 00:54:05,190
been doing this now so it's a proven

1128
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:07,320
technology it's it's definitely

1129
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:09,630
something that they've perfected at this

1130
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:12,960
point and not the subject you were

1131
00:54:23,570 --> 00:54:18,900
talking about cash interested in number

1132
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:23,580
twenty nineteen eighteen eighty and

1133
00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:26,070
order one the Air Force tried to buy

1134
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:28,560
Betty to the vehicle if you're aware of

1135
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,119
that but they actually tried to buy her

1136
00:54:36,250 --> 00:54:33,359
car and number two is immediately after

1137
00:54:40,460 --> 00:54:36,260
the incident the Army Corps of Engineers

1138
00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:40,470
using becos and bulldozers they they dug

1139
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:44,550
up the black scorch part on the on the

1140
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:47,099
road and then two weeks later they did

1141
00:54:54,050 --> 00:54:52,200
it again they did it twice hmm well and

1142
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:54,060
I mean you know the cash Landrum case I

1143
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:55,510
mean it's uh

1144
00:55:00,900 --> 00:54:58,140
it's famous because whatever this

1145
00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:00,910
whatever this craft was I mean it was a

1146
00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:03,580
bidding you know a lot of heat you know

1147
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:06,040
maybe you know radiation as well who

1148
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:10,030
knows I do know that the the heat was so

1149
00:55:15,810 --> 00:55:12,940
intense that one of the ladies she was

1150
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:15,820
grasping the dashboard and in fear and

1151
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:19,240
then afterwards notice that she left an

1152
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:22,540
imprint in the dashboard of her hand it

1153
00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:26,050
has gotten that hot yep that was Vickie

1154
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:28,840
Landrum and then and when betty was

1155
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:31,630
walking back to the the driver's side

1156
00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:34,480
door do you put her hand on the door

1157
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:36,520
handle and she burned her hand and they

1158
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:40,560
had to put the air-conditioning on in

1159
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,940
December when they got back in then when

1160
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:44,940
she got back in the car

1161
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:52,540
so what would you say then are some of

1162
00:56:00,180 --> 00:55:57,310
your favorite cases I mean I I know that

1163
00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:00,190
you've talked about the reference

1164
00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:03,430
library and triangle once you tell us

1165
00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:04,780
about that one I found that one a

1166
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:07,900
fascinating that story credit has to go

1167
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:10,090
to Linda Zimmerman for that particular

1168
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:13,570
case in this incident

1169
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:16,510
the primary eyewitness as we mentioned

1170
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:17,980
who was a reference librarian was

1171
00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:19,990
waiting for her husband to pick her up

1172
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:25,030
and she noticed a massive black 75°

1173
00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:28,330
swept-wing isosceles triangle hovering

1174
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:31,480
near hold her tation she described it as

1175
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:36,250
being a football stadium length so we're

1176
00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:38,340
looking at eight hundred feet across

1177
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:43,000
black it had a interesting retina on the

1178
00:56:47,099 --> 00:56:44,980
bottom of it that basically opened up

1179
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:47,109
and from the back of the craft came this

1180
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:50,140
red orb that turned around and went up

1181
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:53,710
inside this iris but before this iris

1182
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:54,490
closed

1183
00:56:58,980 --> 00:56:57,010
she got a look on the inside and

1184
00:57:01,590 --> 00:56:58,990
basically she said it looked like

1185
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:01,600
stacked apartment counts or these

1186
00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:04,150
terrorists apartment complexes so this

1187
00:57:10,249 --> 00:57:07,000
is what the primary witness got a look

1188
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:10,259
inside the vehicle

1189
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:15,609
okay so an aircraft that size where

1190
00:57:21,749 --> 00:57:20,049
would you keep it during the day you

1191
00:57:24,059 --> 00:57:21,759
know because you're talking about the

1192
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:24,069
the southern illinois flight triangle

1193
00:57:31,289 --> 00:57:26,890
and i know that there is an Air Force

1194
00:57:34,829 --> 00:57:31,299
Base thoroughly close to where the

1195
00:57:36,749 --> 00:57:34,839
police men saw that but some of you

1196
00:57:38,819 --> 00:57:36,759
think that you would think that people

1197
00:57:41,819 --> 00:57:38,829
would see it there taking off and

1198
00:57:43,729 --> 00:57:41,829
landing even in the the case of the

1199
00:57:46,529 --> 00:57:43,739
Westchester you know they said it was a

1200
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,539
ultralights but nobody ever saw him land

1201
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,880
anywhere I mean you know the these

1202
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:50,640
things just fly around and then they

1203
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:54,160
they vanish now at area 51 they're

1204
00:57:59,339 --> 00:57:57,059
supposed to be you know an underground

1205
00:58:01,769 --> 00:57:59,349
hangar or underground base there and

1206
00:58:04,229 --> 00:58:01,779
we've heard of course up in the Dulce

1207
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:04,239
New Mexico area area these things fly

1208
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:06,670
right into the side of the the mountains

1209
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:11,170
supposedly so just to get back on this

1210
00:58:17,309 --> 00:58:14,140
this case took place 1985 November

1211
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:17,319
Yorktown Heights New York so this is you

1212
00:58:22,289 --> 00:58:19,660
know basically right around the Taconic

1213
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:22,299
State Parkway area where a lot of these

1214
00:58:26,430 --> 00:58:24,130
sightings occurred now getting back to

1215
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:26,440
where it was stored that's a very good

1216
00:58:29,069 --> 00:58:26,890
question

1217
00:58:32,099 --> 00:58:29,079
I just like to point out that if this is

1218
00:58:33,569 --> 00:58:32,109
a USO it wouldn't need a hangar it could

1219
00:58:35,249 --> 00:58:33,579
be stored underwater no one would ever

1220
00:58:37,019 --> 00:58:35,259
know the difference I know that's a long

1221
00:58:42,569 --> 00:58:37,029
shot but we can't rule it out it could

1222
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:42,579
be a USO well and you know that that

1223
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:44,249
kind of makes sense I was listening to

1224
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:47,230
somebody talking about that subject the

1225
00:58:51,299 --> 00:58:49,390
other day you're talking about say like

1226
00:58:55,170 --> 00:58:51,309
this is the secret space program whether

1227
00:58:57,809 --> 00:58:55,180
or not you know we've got spaceships

1228
00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:57,819
that go beyond say like the the space

1229
00:59:02,940 --> 00:58:59,819
shuttle or the you know conventional

1230
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:02,950
liquid fuel or solid fuel Rockets and

1231
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:04,950
they were just saying that that

1232
00:59:14,579 --> 00:59:08,710
basically some of these crafts could be

1233
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:14,589
almost like a submarine except and it

1234
00:59:19,799 --> 00:59:17,230
would be taken into outer outer space so

1235
00:59:22,109 --> 00:59:19,809
I mean to say that some of these

1236
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:22,119
triangle-shaped aircrafts which do the

1237
00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:22,630
big ones

1238
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:26,230
be stored under water I mean that makes

1239
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:31,180
sense yep yep I've got another case here

1240
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:33,430
this came from David Marlar didn't do

1241
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,400
his book but this is August 25th 1990

1242
00:59:41,789 --> 00:59:39,180
near Barnsley England Woodhead past

1243
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,799
gentlemen was coming out of a Fleetwood

1244
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:42,960
Mac

1245
00:59:53,370 --> 00:59:49,150
unser his wasn't in the passenger side

1246
00:59:55,019 --> 00:59:53,380
and off the little triangle 200 feet

1247
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:55,029
south there was a light at each corner

1248
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,710
and then an indented section in the

1249
01:00:00,900 --> 00:59:58,720
centre with another white light and then

1250
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:00,910
he said that along the inner wall of

1251
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,210
this indented section was the diamond

1252
01:00:08,430 --> 01:00:05,920
girder construction like a truss bridge

1253
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:08,440
that's something that we've over and

1254
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:09,369
over and over again

1255
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:12,190
I've got his written report here I won't

1256
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,430
read the whole thing to let me just hit

1257
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,440
you with what he said here quote the

1258
01:00:21,210 --> 01:00:18,880
side of the craft appeared to have

1259
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:21,220
several illuminated windows and at one

1260
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,170
of the windows I saw two to three

1261
01:00:27,269 --> 01:00:24,720
figures that appeared to be human

1262
01:00:29,009 --> 01:00:27,279
certainly nothing about the figures made

1263
01:00:31,529 --> 01:00:29,019
me think they were anything other than

1264
01:00:38,999 --> 01:00:31,539
human reinforcing my belief that the

1265
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:39,009
craft was a military project what we

1266
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:44,950
were talking earlier about the more

1267
01:00:48,779 --> 01:00:46,690
conventional I supposed to do now the

1268
01:00:52,410 --> 01:00:48,789
conventional you know like a stealth

1269
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:52,420
aircraft and then these you know the the

1270
01:00:58,980 --> 01:00:55,390
black triangles and the the boomerang

1271
01:01:00,900 --> 01:00:58,990
shaped crafts using you know like a

1272
01:01:03,930 --> 01:01:00,910
completely what we call a

1273
01:01:10,049 --> 01:01:03,940
non-conventional propulsion system have

1274
01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:10,059
you run across any paper trail to see

1275
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:15,220
where this research and development may

1276
01:01:25,499 --> 01:01:21,690
have originated from I know that the

1277
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,509
cash motors name Nick Cooke had had had

1278
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:28,720
traced some of this as far back as as

1279
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:31,450
Nazi Germany and if there was a lot of

1280
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:33,130
research going on in the United States

1281
01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:36,040
in the 1950s when suddenly it all

1282
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:39,400
seemed to disappear so I you know have

1283
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:42,730
you know have have you been able to make

1284
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:46,180
any headway or back I did some digging

1285
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:51,070
on gravity research as early as 1955 and

1286
01:01:55,890 --> 01:01:53,050
came up with a whole series of newspaper

1287
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:55,900
clippings that definitely indicate that

1288
01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:00,160
somewhere around October 1954 19 time

1289
01:02:04,110 --> 01:02:02,680
frame it looks like they made a birth

1290
01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:04,120
through that's what the newspaper

1291
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:06,460
clippings report multiple different

1292
01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:08,950
aerospace contractors and universities

1293
01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:13,960
were working hard to call the aircraft

1294
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:18,870
company was one of them Lear well but if

1295
01:02:25,290 --> 01:02:22,170
some kind of break that we're having

1296
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:25,300
we're breaking up there were having a

1297
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:28,810
hard time hearing delay a statement can

1298
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:31,030
you just repeat the last part that's

1299
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:33,850
yeah sure the newspaper clippings

1300
01:02:39,420 --> 01:02:36,450
indicate that they were working hard to

1301
01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:39,430
break the gravity barrier somewhere

1302
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:42,220
around 1955 bill aircraft was definitely

1303
01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:46,570
involved according to new and you said

1304
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:51,550
Lear as well Lear Lear is well that

1305
01:02:57,540 --> 01:02:55,240
mention in there as well mmm well and

1306
01:03:00,570 --> 01:02:57,550
and again and I'm sure the people have

1307
01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:00,580
asked you this to the point where he

1308
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:02,740
probably sick of it but you know if we

1309
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:06,610
have that kind of technology why are we

1310
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:08,290
still why do we still have you know

1311
01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:11,430
conventional jet aircraft flying around

1312
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:14,980
yeah because it's profitable for

1313
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:17,380
Lockheed Martin to do it can you

1314
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:19,990
cranking out these conventional birds if

1315
01:03:23,130 --> 01:03:21,910
it's still profitable for them to do it

1316
01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:23,140
that's what they've done that's what

1317
01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:28,420
they don't in fact the the fix is on the

1318
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:31,180
aircraft are more profitable than the

1319
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:33,750
aircraft itself we're looking at about

1320
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:35,830
one hundred and seventy billion dollars

1321
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:36,820
over budget

1322
01:03:42,570 --> 01:03:38,530
eight years behind schedule they're just

1323
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:42,580
cashing in on that program mm a bet I

1324
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:45,540
want I want to ask you now the British

1325
01:03:52,450 --> 01:03:49,190
government over the course of the

1326
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:52,460
dozen years or so release what they

1327
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:55,450
claim or all the files that they have on

1328
01:04:01,599 --> 01:03:58,730
UFOs do you think that they have other

1329
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:01,609
files that they are keeping hidden from

1330
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:04,609
the public and some of these files may

1331
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:07,490
contain the reports of this nature

1332
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:10,010
devices that we're talking about it was

1333
01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:12,020
absolutely no doubt I mean it's true

1334
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:13,670
there has been a large release of a

1335
01:04:18,190 --> 01:04:16,069
files from the Ministry of Defense these

1336
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:18,200
is these are sightings report from the

1337
01:04:23,859 --> 01:04:21,250
UFO desk that's a secretary at AAS to

1338
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:23,869
famously run by Nick Pope for many years

1339
01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:26,420
yeah I know I know many people who've

1340
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:29,000
written into the government various

1341
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:30,410
government departments asking for more

1342
01:04:35,170 --> 01:04:32,210
information on this subject the Ministry

1343
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:35,180
of Defense and others and been sent back

1344
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:37,730
a reply which says section 26 not in the

1345
01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:40,010
public interest this is essentially is a

1346
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:41,660
brush-off this means that says she

1347
01:04:44,170 --> 01:04:42,530
doesn't matter if you're using the

1348
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,180
Freedom of Information Act doesn't

1349
01:04:47,859 --> 01:04:46,640
matter in the interests of well they say

1350
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:47,869
the public interest I think they mean

1351
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:49,310
their their own interest quite frankly

1352
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,470
it's an Orwellian say it's an Orwellian

1353
01:04:55,420 --> 01:04:53,839
statement but there's no doubt they are

1354
01:04:56,859 --> 01:04:55,430
holding back information and they and

1355
01:04:59,650 --> 01:04:56,869
they're not obliged to it from their

1356
01:05:01,180 --> 01:04:59,660
point of view on a legal standpoint to

1357
01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:01,190
provide us with it so yeah there's an

1358
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:03,500
awful lot of sightings and really some

1359
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:04,910
people I know who've seen some strange

1360
01:05:10,510 --> 01:05:06,530
things I've seen some odd things in the

1361
01:05:12,579 --> 01:05:10,520
sky like I say it's an open secret not

1362
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:12,589
all of it is is available to the public

1363
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:14,210
if when the government investigate like

1364
01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:16,010
Michael was talking about the the

1365
01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:17,990
attention at the cash Landrum case

1366
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:20,180
generated from there from the

1367
01:05:23,319 --> 01:05:21,650
authorities after it happened just

1368
01:05:26,260 --> 01:05:23,329
digging up the road wanting to buy the

1369
01:05:28,329 --> 01:05:26,270
car etc etc and it's pretty clear that

1370
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:28,339
they are very very very interested in

1371
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:29,569
this and they're spending a lot of money

1372
01:05:35,950 --> 01:05:31,490
on something which they laugh at and say

1373
01:05:38,050 --> 01:05:35,960
doesn't exist so when I think obviously

1374
01:05:40,510 --> 01:05:38,060
there's gonna be a major political shift

1375
01:05:42,339 --> 01:05:40,520
before any further information actually

1376
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,349
comes to to pass from the through the

1377
01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:45,440
public lips well you know Michael I

1378
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:47,260
mentioned that some of these aircraft

1379
01:05:57,250 --> 01:05:51,440
could be hiding under a sea in fact that

1380
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,260
we're working on a book on UFO bases

1381
01:06:03,010 --> 01:05:58,880
some of them underground some of them

1382
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:03,020
under sea but of course we have places

1383
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:08,000
area 51 and perhaps even Edwards Air

1384
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:11,330
Force Base where some of these things

1385
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:17,570
could be stored underground now this

1386
01:06:27,340 --> 01:06:19,970
also and I think Australia Pine Gap is

1387
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:27,350
it how about the UK do we have a basis

1388
01:06:31,690 --> 01:06:29,330
where these things could be hidden there

1389
01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:31,700
there are several facilities in the

1390
01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:34,190
United Kingdom which our equivalents of

1391
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:36,470
say area 51 as a place called Boscombe

1392
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:38,330
down which is where a lot of

1393
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:40,750
experimental aircraft are developed

1394
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,770
unfortunately we have a much denser

1395
01:06:48,610 --> 01:06:44,480
population here in Britain we have like

1396
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:48,620
we only have had bats quorum quarter

1397
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:51,050
million square miles we've got 75

1398
01:06:54,580 --> 01:06:52,370
million people here so it's difficult

1399
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:54,590
act more difficult to hide things than

1400
01:06:57,790 --> 01:06:55,850
it is in the United States where you

1401
01:06:59,560 --> 01:06:57,800
have a much you must have a much sparser

1402
01:07:02,310 --> 01:06:59,570
population and lots of areas which are

1403
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:02,320
completely uninhabited basically oh yeah

1404
01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:07,280
so the I think it's it could it could be

1405
01:07:12,310 --> 01:07:10,580
that some some aircraft have been kept

1406
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:12,320
at Boston downand and may be tested at

1407
01:07:18,790 --> 01:07:15,890
night our are kept there yeah as far as

1408
01:07:21,370 --> 01:07:18,800
the unidentified a sudden submarine

1409
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:21,380
objects or submergible object goes yeah

1410
01:07:24,250 --> 01:07:22,910
I mean these are things that come in and

1411
01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:24,260
out of the sea they appear to be the

1412
01:07:26,830 --> 01:07:25,550
same thing actually because they

1413
01:07:29,770 --> 01:07:26,840
sometimes have seen flying and then

1414
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:29,780
enter the sea these have been reported

1415
01:07:32,830 --> 01:07:30,890
for a long time even Christopher

1416
01:07:35,350 --> 01:07:32,840
Columbus or one of these objects when he

1417
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:35,360
was on his famous voyage to discover the

1418
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:38,930
ahead for the new world and he describes

1419
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:40,490
of what would definitely very very

1420
01:07:43,330 --> 01:07:41,450
similar to what was seen much more

1421
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:43,340
recently say at the shag harbour event

1422
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:46,070
in Canada where a very strange object

1423
01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:47,450
was seen in the Canadian the Royal

1424
01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:49,390
Canadian Navy investigated that and

1425
01:07:54,340 --> 01:07:51,620
brightly-lit comes in and out of the sea

1426
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:54,350
and Bill Cooper the famous some guy who

1427
01:07:58,750 --> 01:07:57,410
wrote a spiritual book he saw one from

1428
01:08:00,460 --> 01:07:58,760
the deck of his submarine when he was in

1429
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,470
the u.s. Navy they said it didn't make a

1430
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,480
splash it's almost like this is kind of

1431
01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:04,160
superfluid effect of its hull it just

1432
01:08:08,890 --> 01:08:06,560
went in and out of the sea and he was

1433
01:08:10,750 --> 01:08:08,900
told the ad was debriefed very violently

1434
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:10,760
and aggressively by these guys in dark

1435
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:12,950
suits saying don't tell anyone what you

1436
01:08:16,599 --> 01:08:13,250
saw

1437
01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:16,609
so were you there's some it's hard to

1438
01:08:22,329 --> 01:08:16,940
know

1439
01:08:25,599 --> 01:08:22,339
yeah I do remember being in contact with

1440
01:08:27,610 --> 01:08:25,609
someone there in the UK a couple of

1441
01:08:30,999 --> 01:08:27,620
years ago who claimed that they knew

1442
01:08:35,229 --> 01:08:31,009
about an underground base fairly is

1443
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,239
similar to Dulce does that ring a bell

1444
01:08:40,329 --> 01:08:38,239
yeah there are several regulations yeah

1445
01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:40,339
there are several places that people

1446
01:08:43,390 --> 01:08:41,540
have claimed that there are underground

1447
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,400
bases including one not far from me

1448
01:08:46,959 --> 01:08:45,279
actually in bar [\h__\h] which is some

1449
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,969
supposedly underneath the village of

1450
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:48,319
peas more I've actually been to

1451
01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:50,630
investigate that myself and I couldn't

1452
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:52,509
find a lot of evidence however I did I

1453
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:54,710
did see that one of the entrances of

1454
01:08:59,140 --> 01:08:56,420
this base is supposedly a place called

1455
01:09:00,640 --> 01:08:59,150
the it's it's a basically laboratory at

1456
01:09:03,010 --> 01:09:00,650
the Harwell Institute which is in

1457
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,020
Oxfordshire and I saw a large mound of

1458
01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:04,640
Earth there which is not marked on any

1459
01:09:08,829 --> 01:09:06,830
maps it's over 150 feet high

1460
01:09:11,559 --> 01:09:08,839
looks like spoil from underground

1461
01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:11,569
diggings if you ask me that I can't

1462
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:13,100
prove that I can't prove that's what it

1463
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:18,560
is but have people seen objects coming

1464
01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:20,690
in and out of that area underground

1465
01:09:25,209 --> 01:09:22,420
oh there's so well there's a lot of

1466
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,219
certain areas where you have UFO flaps

1467
01:09:30,999 --> 01:09:28,640
you know certain places such as um well

1468
01:09:32,410 --> 01:09:31,009
the North Sea coast of Suffolk and

1469
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:32,420
Norfolk and that area which is where

1470
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,460
bent Rendlesham forest is there's

1471
01:09:39,420 --> 01:09:37,040
certain hot spots where you get a lot

1472
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:39,430
Scotland in particular is extremely

1473
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:43,460
active in UFO terms I think for its size

1474
01:09:46,420 --> 01:09:44,810
and population more so than anywhere

1475
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:46,430
else in the world as an area called

1476
01:09:50,590 --> 01:09:48,770
bonny bridge whereas a massive flap

1477
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,600
there in the 1990s and people are seeing

1478
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:51,920
some strange things in the sky almost

1479
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:56,780
every day so I I don't know though I

1480
01:10:00,939 --> 01:09:58,760
mean I don't know whether these as I

1481
01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:00,949
said it's hard to say but if you bring

1482
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,550
in the element of high-technology how

1483
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:05,360
many of these things are

1484
01:10:09,070 --> 01:10:06,710
extraterrestrial how many of them are

1485
01:10:10,780 --> 01:10:09,080
asking are made made by the breakaway

1486
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:10,790
civilization is Richard Dolan calls it

1487
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:13,010
and as Michael said you're this it's

1488
01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:15,260
it's almost like there's a when you see

1489
01:10:18,459 --> 01:10:17,060
these things you don't know it's it's

1490
01:10:19,959 --> 01:10:18,469
hard to and there's there's a hard core

1491
01:10:21,459 --> 01:10:19,969
maybe they're extraterrestrial and I

1492
01:10:23,020 --> 01:10:21,469
accept that I think I'm no doubt that

1493
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:23,030
some of them are extraterrestrial when

1494
01:10:27,010 --> 01:10:25,370
you see strange beings and abductions

1495
01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:27,020
and things like that associated with

1496
01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:29,780
them but it's no doubt that there is a

1497
01:10:33,820 --> 01:10:30,860
secret

1498
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,830
state within the overt state which has

1499
01:10:37,180 --> 01:10:35,600
not it's not just politically different

1500
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:37,190
it's technologically different they live

1501
01:10:45,609 --> 01:10:41,210
in a different world well now would you

1502
01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:45,619
say that the the same secret group in

1503
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:49,100
the US here would be the same as secret

1504
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:53,810
group that's in operation in Britain

1505
01:10:59,290 --> 01:10:57,920
what is it a totally different they said

1506
01:11:01,120 --> 01:10:59,300
we hear the word like deep state

1507
01:11:04,419 --> 01:11:01,130
nowadays quite a lot in the media but

1508
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:04,429
it's not a new idea and it seems when

1509
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,290
you when you regard policy certain

1510
01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:08,960
policies that seem to be almost deducing

1511
01:11:12,669 --> 01:11:10,670
to be international appear in different

1512
01:11:14,669 --> 01:11:12,679
states that's overt states at the same

1513
01:11:17,530 --> 01:11:14,679
time it is like there's some kind of

1514
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:17,540
there's some kind of super government

1515
01:11:20,590 --> 01:11:18,860
and particularly when it comes to the

1516
01:11:24,220 --> 01:11:20,600
crash retrievals of issues to do with

1517
01:11:25,419 --> 01:11:24,230
the the salvaging of strange objects

1518
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:25,429
that come down to the earth and Roswell

1519
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:27,409
is the most famous obviously well in

1520
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:29,480
many media you just wrote you just wrote

1521
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:31,550
a book about the Roswell the novel three

1522
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:33,409
books I just finished the third book

1523
01:11:39,370 --> 01:11:37,520
which is it's about love love writing

1524
01:11:41,109 --> 01:11:39,380
yeah but it's a it's a it's a

1525
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:41,119
speculative fictional piece about what

1526
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:43,369
would happen if they see if we had

1527
01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:46,960
essentially truth instead of lies well

1528
01:11:50,859 --> 01:11:49,219
you don't have to interrupt you guys

1529
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,869
here because it's time to go to our

1530
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:52,400
bottom of the hour break we'll continue

1531
01:11:57,220 --> 01:11:54,590
this conversation with Ben and Michael

1532
01:12:06,680 --> 01:11:57,230
and Tim and Tim on exploring the bazaars

1533
01:12:13,410 --> 01:12:10,859
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1534
01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:13,420
two of the most electrifying researchers

1535
01:12:20,939 --> 01:12:16,420
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1536
01:12:23,459 --> 01:12:20,949
Rebecca Lee panting Swit welcome back to

1537
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:23,469
the final segment of exploring the

1538
01:12:27,959 --> 01:12:24,820
bazaar in Tim this has been a

1539
01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:27,969
fascinating show I'm sorry that the were

1540
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:31,420
rapidly running out of time here so I

1541
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:34,800
guess we need to ask Ben about I guess

1542
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:39,030
you have been doing some research into

1543
01:12:44,879 --> 01:12:42,550
cryptid creatures there in the UK

1544
01:12:47,069 --> 01:12:44,889
well I can't claim credit for the actual

1545
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:47,079
research myself yeah but I have been I

1546
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:50,289
have been interviewing and I've been

1547
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:51,489
interviewing several people and I've

1548
01:12:54,779 --> 01:12:53,050
been talking to many people I'm very

1549
01:12:56,910 --> 01:12:54,789
interested in this subject but there's

1550
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:56,920
several individuals such as Deborah hats

1551
01:13:02,189 --> 01:12:59,679
well and Chris Turner who have been

1552
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:02,199
researching and indeed Chris is making a

1553
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:04,329
film a documentary film all about this

1554
01:13:09,719 --> 01:13:08,010
called elusive which is about various

1555
01:13:12,419 --> 01:13:09,729
cryptozoology of the United Kingdom

1556
01:13:14,219 --> 01:13:12,429
which is quite substantial considering

1557
01:13:16,259 --> 01:13:14,229
that we don't have the big open spaces

1558
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:16,269
quite on the scale of the United States

1559
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:18,489
that we were talking about in the in the

1560
01:13:22,859 --> 01:13:21,249
last segment Chris has been on search of

1561
01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:22,869
what can only be described as

1562
01:13:26,759 --> 01:13:25,119
bigfoot-like creatures and of course the

1563
01:13:30,029 --> 01:13:26,769
Loch Ness monster the most famous

1564
01:13:31,229 --> 01:13:30,039
cryptid in the world he's very very

1565
01:13:33,299 --> 01:13:31,239
interesting this sort of thing and I am

1566
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:33,309
too I mean I think there's a there is a

1567
01:13:37,049 --> 01:13:35,050
you know a little densely populated

1568
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:37,059
island there are still things hiding out

1569
01:13:41,370 --> 01:13:39,130
away from public sight so I'm very

1570
01:13:44,189 --> 01:13:41,380
interested in that well I know the UK is

1571
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:44,199
also famous for its it's big cats it's

1572
01:13:49,919 --> 01:13:47,380
mystery big cats that had been sighted

1573
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:49,929
really gosh all over the place yes I

1574
01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:51,249
mean they were actually I mean there's

1575
01:13:54,779 --> 01:13:52,420
actually no doubt that these creatures

1576
01:13:57,810 --> 01:13:54,789
exist I would they have been positively

1577
01:13:59,129 --> 01:13:57,820
identified in terms of footprints fur

1578
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,139
has been found that has been tested for

1579
01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:00,880
DNA and several sometimes there are

1580
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:02,590
attacks on farm animals sheep in

1581
01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:04,690
particular seem to be targeted by these

1582
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:06,550
creatures we should expect if a large

1583
01:14:10,770 --> 01:14:08,530
predator a feline predator was living in

1584
01:14:12,959 --> 01:14:10,780
Brittany to expect that and the the way

1585
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:12,969
that the sheep attacks and the injuries

1586
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:13,840
they suffer

1587
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:15,580
the bodies indicates that there is a

1588
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:18,340
large feline creature them several

1589
01:14:21,180 --> 01:14:20,650
actually living in in Britain and where

1590
01:14:23,609 --> 01:14:21,190
they come from

1591
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:23,619
it's possible they us they are leopards

1592
01:14:27,899 --> 01:14:25,510
Pumas and other type creatures that have

1593
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:27,909
escaped from zoos or from maybe they

1594
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:29,170
were some brought them over and thought

1595
01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:30,550
they were pets but of course you can't

1596
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:31,780
you can't make pets out of these

1597
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,730
creatures and let's just let them free

1598
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:35,679
and they seem to be thriving even in our

1599
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:37,510
cold climates and when these creatures

1600
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:39,250
often live in hotter weather so they

1601
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:41,830
seem to have adapted well I know at some

1602
01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:45,310
some time in the past and was like that

1603
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:46,750
it was 1950s

1604
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:49,570
or something like that where they passed

1605
01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:51,460
a law saying that you know people could

1606
01:14:57,089 --> 01:14:55,000
no longer keep exotic pets like that and

1607
01:14:59,220 --> 01:14:57,099
there was rumors that a lot of these

1608
01:15:01,560 --> 01:14:59,230
people just took these cats and just you

1609
01:15:03,089 --> 01:15:01,570
know released a mountain wild yeah I

1610
01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:03,099
mean there was some I think they were

1611
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:05,500
hurt they risked a heavy final and even

1612
01:15:09,689 --> 01:15:07,090
imprisonment if they were caught so they

1613
01:15:11,850 --> 01:15:09,699
thought let's just let the animals go

1614
01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:11,860
and I can just pretend I never had them

1615
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:13,750
so that could have been it could have

1616
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:14,590
been that particular piece of

1617
01:15:18,330 --> 01:15:16,330
legislation that led to this phenomenon

1618
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:18,340
so far there's not been an attack on a

1619
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:21,250
human that I'm aware of that's not been

1620
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:24,190
reported well I have read a couple of

1621
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:27,610
cases of people being scratched you know

1622
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:30,369
I have joggers and people like that you

1623
01:15:35,550 --> 01:15:32,590
know yeah say like you know a cat would

1624
01:15:37,879 --> 01:15:35,560
jump on and scratch them up a bit but

1625
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:37,889
you know unlike the United States

1626
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:40,480
especially out in California where

1627
01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:44,530
there's been a number of deaths from the

1628
01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:46,540
the mountain lions there but but yeah

1629
01:15:51,870 --> 01:15:48,040
you're right as far as you know you know

1630
01:15:52,649 --> 01:15:51,880
there hasn't been any human that way no

1631
01:15:54,629 --> 01:15:52,659
of deaths

1632
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:54,639
well you know I'm also fascinated by the

1633
01:16:03,030 --> 01:15:59,219
the reports of a bigfoot-like creatures

1634
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:03,040
there in the UK because you know of all

1635
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:12,750
those types of sightings there's like

1636
01:16:16,379 --> 01:16:14,110
you said earlier I mean you've got a

1637
01:16:19,229 --> 01:16:16,389
small island big population or people

1638
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:19,239
yet there are numerous reports of

1639
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:21,670
bigfoot-type creatures yeah absolutely

1640
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,090
and this is incredible and I've I

1641
01:16:27,639 --> 01:16:26,080
started getting into this when I met a

1642
01:16:29,709 --> 01:16:27,649
lady called Charmaine Fraser

1643
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,719
had seen one when she was in anger

1644
01:16:33,969 --> 01:16:31,760
Scotland and she pins when she was a

1645
01:16:35,649 --> 01:16:33,979
young girl Scotland is actually there's

1646
01:16:37,839 --> 01:16:35,659
more open space in Scotland than her as

1647
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:37,849
in England but these things have been

1648
01:16:42,609 --> 01:16:41,449
seen in England as well now it's it's

1649
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:42,619
incredible when you think about it I

1650
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:44,360
know there's a lot of cryptozoologists

1651
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:48,169
who deny this and indeed there's a lot

1652
01:16:51,219 --> 01:16:49,610
of controversy within the research

1653
01:16:53,469 --> 01:16:51,229
community over this because there's

1654
01:16:54,850 --> 01:16:53,479
several people who say down there these

1655
01:16:56,049 --> 01:16:54,860
are not cryptids these are actually

1656
01:16:58,270 --> 01:16:56,059
these are actually some form of

1657
01:17:01,500 --> 01:16:58,280
paranormal phenomenon and like a ghost

1658
01:17:04,540 --> 01:17:01,510
it's something more associated with that

1659
01:17:06,819 --> 01:17:04,550
but having looked at this I think there

1660
01:17:08,529 --> 01:17:06,829
is based on research done by Deborah

1661
01:17:10,839 --> 01:17:08,539
hats while in particular um I think

1662
01:17:12,609 --> 01:17:10,849
there there is likely to be some kind of

1663
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:12,619
large creature that's obviously

1664
01:17:17,589 --> 01:17:14,510
something that is elusive and is keeping

1665
01:17:19,659 --> 01:17:17,599
out of people's way within Britain I

1666
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:19,669
mean it's incredible when you think

1667
01:17:23,259 --> 01:17:21,050
about it but there's so many sightings

1668
01:17:26,169 --> 01:17:23,269
and so many other signs that these

1669
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:26,179
things exist that some it seems that

1670
01:17:30,699 --> 01:17:28,489
they are living basically wooded areas

1671
01:17:32,350 --> 01:17:30,709
and they're keeping away from towns they

1672
01:17:34,659 --> 01:17:32,360
are clearly an intelligent creature

1673
01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:34,669
there are primates so they're some type

1674
01:17:38,409 --> 01:17:36,289
of eight and because we know that

1675
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:38,419
primates are highly intelligent we

1676
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:40,369
ourselves as humans are a form of our

1677
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:45,050
part of that family of primates now they

1678
01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:46,729
walk along railway lines apparently

1679
01:17:50,049 --> 01:17:48,260
because what's happened there Britain is

1680
01:17:51,549 --> 01:17:50,059
that we've got the green belt laws which

1681
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:51,559
means there's a lot more woodland in

1682
01:17:56,169 --> 01:17:53,209
this country now than there was say 50

1683
01:17:57,729 --> 01:17:56,179
years ago mm-hmm and this it seems that

1684
01:17:59,290 --> 01:17:57,739
the population of these creatures is

1685
01:18:04,600 --> 01:17:59,300
responding in kind and is there now a

1686
01:18:06,009 --> 01:18:04,610
lot more sightings of these so I love to

1687
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:06,019
see one I know whenever I walk through

1688
01:18:08,949 --> 01:18:07,610
the woods in my eye a wolf in a

1689
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:08,959
different I think very differently by

1690
01:18:10,899 --> 01:18:10,249
the British countryside now than I used

1691
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:10,909
to

1692
01:18:13,929 --> 01:18:12,110
I always thought a Bigfoot is something

1693
01:18:15,369 --> 01:18:13,939
associated with North America and I know

1694
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:15,379
that people have seen them in the woods

1695
01:18:19,839 --> 01:18:18,289
in jump your way you know but some in

1696
01:18:21,339 --> 01:18:19,849
Britain that's incredible I do look

1697
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,349
around myself when I'm walking along a

1698
01:18:29,639 --> 01:18:24,320
pathway heck Davey they've even been

1699
01:18:33,899 --> 01:18:29,649
seen that driving UFOs we we have yeah

1700
01:18:36,939 --> 01:18:33,909
you laugh but we had a report that was

1701
01:18:40,209 --> 01:18:36,949
given to me in earnest many years ago

1702
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:40,219
and this is on the internet a fellow was

1703
01:18:44,740 --> 01:18:41,510
there driving along

1704
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:44,750
in the evening it was a kind of overcast

1705
01:18:50,110 --> 01:18:47,090
labove foggy on the road and he saw this

1706
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:50,120
a globe shaped object that was

1707
01:18:58,060 --> 01:18:54,010
transparent and inside at the control

1708
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:58,070
panel was some big hairy beast it was

1709
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:01,760
like Bosworth was his name mr. Boz wick

1710
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:04,400
there was an incident in 1965 a place

1711
01:19:10,030 --> 01:19:05,930
called Presque Isle on the shores of the

1712
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:10,040
Great Lakes in Pennsylvania where two

1713
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:12,650
things happened a UFO landed this is

1714
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:14,150
unlike the the beach at the lake and

1715
01:19:17,890 --> 01:19:16,010
some people in a car was sort of sitting

1716
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:17,900
there late at night and at the very same

1717
01:19:21,580 --> 01:19:19,760
time a bigfoot-like creature came out of

1718
01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:21,590
the woods and attacked the car and it

1719
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,000
scratched the car and the scratches are

1720
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:26,000
actually on the car so that's evidence

1721
01:19:30,190 --> 01:19:28,430
now these two things might be

1722
01:19:32,110 --> 01:19:30,200
coincidental but I mean it seems odd

1723
01:19:34,060 --> 01:19:32,120
that but the UFO landing and the

1724
01:19:36,130 --> 01:19:34,070
appearance of the Bigfoot would happen

1725
01:19:36,910 --> 01:19:36,140
together so it could be the some Bigfoot

1726
01:19:39,250 --> 01:19:36,920
sightings

1727
01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:39,260
obviously lies with the flying triangles

1728
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:41,030
we may be the we may be talking about

1729
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:42,560
several different phenomena we've

1730
01:19:46,450 --> 01:19:44,690
characterized gathering correctly but

1731
01:19:48,940 --> 01:19:46,460
some of the Bigfoot sightings might

1732
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:48,950
actually not be of this world I know

1733
01:19:52,660 --> 01:19:50,030
that the Indians talked about the

1734
01:19:54,910 --> 01:19:52,670
Sasquatch which they is described as

1735
01:19:59,920 --> 01:19:54,920
like a subtle being almost like

1736
01:20:00,220 --> 01:19:59,930
something we've had we've had on let's

1737
01:20:04,210 --> 01:20:00,230
see

1738
01:20:06,910 --> 01:20:04,220
Paulino is is one of our regular guests

1739
01:20:09,490 --> 01:20:06,920
and he's been camping out in the woods

1740
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:09,500
there in in Pennsylvania and and they've

1741
01:20:18,130 --> 01:20:15,050
had low-level UFO sightings at the same

1742
01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:18,140
time that Big Foot has been leaving your

1743
01:20:24,670 --> 01:20:22,160
footprints in the in the earth not too

1744
01:20:28,210 --> 01:20:24,680
far away now I remember a case and I've

1745
01:20:31,180 --> 01:20:28,220
mentioned this before on the era Athens

1746
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,190
Ohio which is right across the bridge

1747
01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:32,960
actually from Point Pleasant West

1748
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:36,260
Virginia home of the famous or infamous

1749
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:39,920
Mothman and I went out there at one time

1750
01:20:44,980 --> 01:20:43,280
many many years ago to investigate a

1751
01:20:49,870 --> 01:20:44,990
case where something had landed in the

1752
01:20:52,270 --> 01:20:49,880
cornfield behind a gentleman's home his

1753
01:20:55,090 --> 01:20:52,280
teenager had seen this thing with you

1754
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:55,100
know land and it had left in

1755
01:21:01,240 --> 01:20:58,880
the the corn and so forth and I figure

1756
01:21:02,890 --> 01:21:01,250
well I got some time on my hands let me

1757
01:21:05,470 --> 01:21:02,900
go out and scour the neighborhood and

1758
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:05,480
see if other people had seen UFOs on

1759
01:21:09,250 --> 01:21:07,310
this night in particular well there

1760
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:09,260
there had been other UFO sightings

1761
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,450
although I don't know as if they

1762
01:21:16,030 --> 01:21:13,760
necessarily tied in with this supposedly

1763
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:16,040
landing in the cornfield but one woman

1764
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:18,410
said oh yeah UFO I remember seeing one

1765
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:21,050
you know and not to do for it this is

1766
01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:22,640
but you know you want to come around

1767
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:26,180
here sometime at at night big foot two

1768
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:28,610
stomps around behind my air conditioner

1769
01:21:33,790 --> 01:21:31,130
I said yeah big foot stomps around

1770
01:21:35,980 --> 01:21:33,800
behind your air conditioner says yeah he

1771
01:21:37,810 --> 01:21:35,990
seems I don't know goes back there - you

1772
01:21:39,580 --> 01:21:37,820
know either wash off for the

1773
01:21:42,670 --> 01:21:39,590
condensation of the water or to grab

1774
01:21:45,130 --> 01:21:42,680
himself a quick you know rusty drink or

1775
01:21:46,990 --> 01:21:45,140
something like that I don't know of

1776
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:47,000
course it's a it's Ohio you never know

1777
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:51,070
what's in the water system there so I

1778
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:53,390
don't know I mean you do have a lot of

1779
01:22:00,670 --> 01:21:55,780
these reports that do seem to be

1780
01:22:01,690 --> 01:22:00,680
simultaneously in the same area that's

1781
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:01,700
very interesting because you have like

1782
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:04,490
the the corn the other thing in the corn

1783
01:22:10,150 --> 01:22:06,050
sounds like round like the crop circle

1784
01:22:12,220 --> 01:22:10,160
which because this would have been what

1785
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:12,230
you know before there were crop circles

1786
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:14,330
there were an indentions in the ground

1787
01:22:20,460 --> 01:22:17,930
in there I remember in Australia there

1788
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:20,470
were they what they called saucer nests

1789
01:22:26,260 --> 01:22:24,010
now these things weren't you know like

1790
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:26,270
well what do you what do you make of the

1791
01:22:31,930 --> 01:22:28,130
crop circles I mean it to me they seemed

1792
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,940
a little bit homemade of course in some

1793
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:33,920
cases Oh some of them are there's no

1794
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:35,360
doubt that there is a they're a man-made

1795
01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:37,550
it's a it's a phenomenon this is kind of

1796
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:39,350
landscape art I know several people who

1797
01:22:45,310 --> 01:22:42,770
do it only yes but so there is a genuine

1798
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:45,320
phenomenon alongside it I mean the the

1799
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:47,120
crop circles appear to be just one

1800
01:22:51,340 --> 01:22:49,370
phenomenon of one manifestation of many

1801
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,350
types of things in terms of strange

1802
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:53,120
objects appearing in the landscape which

1803
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:55,370
are not made by human hands and I mean

1804
01:22:59,230 --> 01:22:57,290
you mentioned the the nests in Australia

1805
01:23:00,220 --> 01:22:59,240
I mean these have been the Aborigines

1806
01:23:02,260 --> 01:23:00,230
have been talking about this since

1807
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:02,270
ancient times they said that these nests

1808
01:23:05,950 --> 01:23:04,370
appeared and that's the one genus which

1809
01:23:08,620 --> 01:23:05,960
is there with their word for the Creator

1810
01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:08,630
in their creation mythology is creature

1811
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:11,540
like aliens almost and well well no I

1812
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,630
just I just got something here from one

1813
01:23:21,540 --> 01:23:17,120
of our previous guests Donnie Brooke

1814
01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:21,550
who's the retired wrestler and he's

1815
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:24,200
investigated the UFOs down there in the

1816
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:25,900
Carolinas but he sent me some

1817
01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:28,130
photographs it's a pretty impressive of

1818
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:31,790
a v-shaped aircraft over Wisconsin this

1819
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,450
must be in the last couple of days or so

1820
01:23:40,570 --> 01:23:37,120
we you know we do get we do get the

1821
01:23:44,050 --> 01:23:40,580
information as it comes in I don't think

1822
01:23:46,210 --> 01:23:44,060
there's any any hairy creature seen in

1823
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:46,220
connection but you never Hey look they

1824
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:48,310
cut look at that there there's your darn

1825
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:51,890
triangle-shaped object which two lights

1826
01:23:58,450 --> 01:23:56,090
on each and of the kind of boomerang and

1827
01:24:00,490 --> 01:23:58,460
then a solid object right up there in

1828
01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:00,500
front and the in the middle of the other

1829
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:03,190
breaking news there and and you know

1830
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:05,810
yeah you know it's very interesting Tim

1831
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:08,000
you're talking about the the fact this

1832
01:24:12,370 --> 01:24:09,890
was near Point Pleasant and I find that

1833
01:24:14,260 --> 01:24:12,380
interesting but yet of course I've read

1834
01:24:15,610 --> 01:24:14,270
the John kills the Mothman Prophecies

1835
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:15,620
and what's incredible about that

1836
01:24:19,090 --> 01:24:17,480
phenomena is you get almost everything

1837
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:19,100
you can imagine if you're interested in

1838
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:21,530
this kind of weird stuff in the same

1839
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:23,480
place at the same time it's like it's

1840
01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:26,510
it's like a cornucopia you have UFOs you

1841
01:24:31,810 --> 01:24:27,980
get men in black you have strange

1842
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:31,820
creatures you get time slips and spatial

1843
01:24:35,260 --> 01:24:33,170
anomalies and all kinds of things and

1844
01:24:37,690 --> 01:24:35,270
now we have I think was the collapse of

1845
01:24:41,650 --> 01:24:37,700
the bread of course the collapse of the

1846
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,660
the bridge and Christmas week that might

1847
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:43,520
that might have been there predicted by

1848
01:24:49,450 --> 01:24:46,400
Indrid cold or some other entity or yes

1849
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:49,460
voice in the night yes that's great

1850
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:50,960
coincidence isn't it and now we have

1851
01:24:54,010 --> 01:24:52,730
Bigfoots talk hanging around air

1852
01:24:58,030 --> 01:24:54,020
conditioners I mean it's you couldn't

1853
01:25:03,850 --> 01:24:58,040
make it up well some people might be

1854
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:03,860
able to there are people who make up

1855
01:25:07,630 --> 01:25:05,750
tall stories but I mean it can I mean

1856
01:25:09,340 --> 01:25:07,640
the skeptics will say that explains the

1857
01:25:12,370 --> 01:25:09,350
entire phenomena it's just a big fantasy

1858
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:12,380
well I completely disagree and I think

1859
01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:14,510
anyone who's listened to this show will

1860
01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:16,780
have to agree with us at home

1861
01:25:21,820 --> 01:25:20,780
hey Tim I want to ask Michael real quick

1862
01:25:25,210 --> 01:25:21,830
before we run out of

1863
01:25:30,370 --> 01:25:25,220
time I understand that that you have

1864
01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:30,380
produced some models based on some of

1865
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:35,350
these triangle UFO cases that is correct

1866
01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:39,260
and what are these models I mean you

1867
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:41,180
talk about like a plastic models or are

1868
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:43,190
they paper what's the deal there are

1869
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:45,110
cardstock models that I've made

1870
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:46,910
available to the public so you can build

1871
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:49,760
your own quick example that the case we

1872
01:25:54,820 --> 01:25:52,310
just talked about 1990 from Bardsley

1873
01:25:57,490 --> 01:25:54,830
england and made one of that also made

1874
01:26:03,820 --> 01:25:57,500
one of the northrop xst i made one of

1875
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,830
the just reported researcher on the case

1876
01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:05,600
we just talked about with the reference

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librarian made a model of that one and

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many other different triangles that i've

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been able to make a model of so so now

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where can people go to find these two to

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build their own oh you can go on my

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01:26:23,980 --> 01:26:22,490
facebook page and just request it from

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there and i'll send you a copy of the

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blueprints well fantastic

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all right so what about you know I have

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to have there been any recent cases that

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that you've looked at that you know have

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really stood out to you I can't say

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there's been any recent cases more of

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the historical cases between say 80 to

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89 Reagan administration type area

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couple in the 90s but basically just the

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Reagan administration's where I focused

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most of my attention right but Tybee you

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know it there there there has to have

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been new developments since that time oh

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sure yeah well okay now Ben was talking

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about you know the the the the secret

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space program or everything like like

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that so and you know President Trump has

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talked about you know creating the the

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the space for so I mean do you think

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that this has already happened that you

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01:27:32,590 --> 01:27:28,280
know that we already have

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you know our own secret space force yeah

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I think it's already done deal just look

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at the

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cases from January 5th 2000 southern

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Illinois going back to Belgium triangle

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Hudson Valley boomerang the cash Landrum

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incident you know we talked about that

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as well

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there were 23 chinook double rotor

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helicopters following that including at

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least one gunship and a Sikorsky sky

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crane so there was military involvement

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there that's not the only time these

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helicopters have been seen assuring or

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following these different crafts so

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there's absolutely military involvement

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they've made the breakthrough mm-hmm

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well there was a case and I've our

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producer said that there was one in Las

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Vegas I guess where something was seen

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to come down and was carted away by I

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think was a Chinook helicopter familiar

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01:28:29,069 --> 01:28:27,550
with that one I'm not sure if lemare

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01:28:33,779 --> 01:28:29,079
with that one but there's a historical

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legacy of these military helicopters

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following or assuring these different

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there's a history there that's a meeting

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so Ben now talking about then the you

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know the the secret space program is as

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you had referenced before gosh what was

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them graham bird so are you familiar

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01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:02,409
with him you know he was the late

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01:29:10,259 --> 01:29:06,760
publisher of UFO magazine now Graham I

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01:29:13,649 --> 01:29:10,269
mean he was a big believer that Great

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01:29:17,069 --> 01:29:13,659
Britain was involved in some kind of

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secret space program and that there

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there could possibly have been launches

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somewhere you know in the UK I mean you

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know he he was working on that before he

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passed away but I don't know if he had

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ever you know pinpointed any possible

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you know locations I mean do you think

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that that's possible I mean do you

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01:29:40,739 --> 01:29:38,079
usually you know have you seen any

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01:29:43,139 --> 01:29:40,749
evidence of this um I don't know there's

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01:29:45,449 --> 01:29:43,149
obviously sightings of craft which could

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01:29:46,949 --> 01:29:45,459
be counted as evidence yes I do I think

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I take it very seriously indeed

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now you might search claim

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I mean many people have claimed that

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01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:52,570
it's not possible actually to launch

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01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:55,489
spacecraft from Britain because well

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01:29:58,810 --> 01:29:57,170
it'd be too obtrusive you'd need it

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01:30:00,669 --> 01:29:58,820
would make a lot of noise and of course

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01:30:02,620 --> 01:30:00,679
you'd have like rockets going up and

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01:30:04,779 --> 01:30:02,630
then of course the answer to that is

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01:30:07,509 --> 01:30:04,789
we're not talking about rockets here the

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01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:07,519
right it is like it's like the sailing

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01:30:12,759 --> 01:30:10,159
ship it's like the log of log canoe it

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01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:12,769
is ancient history in terms of the real

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01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:14,449
technology we're talking about here the

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01:30:18,549 --> 01:30:16,369
only reason we still launch rockets up

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01:30:20,859 --> 01:30:18,559
in space with all the the noise and the

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01:30:22,689 --> 01:30:20,869
the danger associated with them is

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01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:22,699
because of what Michael was saying

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01:30:27,819 --> 01:30:25,489
before that the Lockheed you know they

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01:30:29,259 --> 01:30:27,829
wander they basically another force and

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01:30:31,060 --> 01:30:29,269
basically the whole network associated

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01:30:32,379 --> 01:30:31,070
with that is keeping you from us if

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01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:32,389
they're keeping it quiet I mean they may

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01:30:36,850 --> 01:30:34,489
have motives beyond simply the financial

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01:30:38,740 --> 01:30:36,860
but whatever their motives are they're

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01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:38,750
not allowing us to use this technology I

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01:30:42,490 --> 01:30:40,250
mean when I was writing my book I had

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01:30:44,319 --> 01:30:42,500
about three books I've just written the

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01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:44,329
Roswell trilogy I have to think about

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01:30:47,140 --> 01:30:45,679
this I think well what would happen if

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01:30:48,759 --> 01:30:47,150
we did find out if we were given this

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01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:48,769
information how would that affect the

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01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:52,130
society we live in so I take what Graham

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01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:53,690
said very seriously and where these

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01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,730
crafts taken off from this their

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01:30:59,799 --> 01:30:57,440
sightings around certain areas like I

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01:31:01,330 --> 01:30:59,809
said for example in the north of England

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01:31:03,850 --> 01:31:01,340
in these in certain leanness in the

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01:31:05,049 --> 01:31:03,860
South Yorkshire area there's area of

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01:31:06,430 --> 01:31:05,059
it's West Yorkshire sorry

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01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,440
I think there's reason to believe there

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01:31:10,569 --> 01:31:08,719
may be some kind of covert launch

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01:31:11,890 --> 01:31:10,579
facility there based on the number of

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01:31:13,450 --> 01:31:11,900
strange craft that come in and out

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01:31:15,279 --> 01:31:13,460
especially the one similar to what

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01:31:17,799 --> 01:31:15,289
Michael was talking about Barnsley he

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01:31:19,629 --> 01:31:17,809
mentioned the Barnsley well Barnsley is

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01:31:22,029 --> 01:31:19,639
in that area it's known in South

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01:31:23,620 --> 01:31:22,039
Yorkshire but it is in that area and he

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01:31:24,970 --> 01:31:23,630
talks about a craft which does look to

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01:31:26,529 --> 01:31:24,980
be as if it's some kind of secret

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01:31:27,819 --> 01:31:26,539
government technology rather than

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01:31:31,029 --> 01:31:27,829
something extraterrestrial

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01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:31,039
so this word where it is exactly I don't

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01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:32,239
know it may be underneath one of the

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01:31:34,890 --> 01:31:33,679
reservoirs if we're talking about us

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01:31:37,509 --> 01:31:34,900
owes because there's these huge

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01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:37,519
reservoirs way up in the Pennine

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01:31:41,410 --> 01:31:39,440
mountains no one really goes there

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01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:41,420
they're out of sight being the perfect

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01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:42,710
place to put on these things if you do

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01:31:46,750 --> 01:31:44,570
if they did have an underwater ability

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01:31:47,919 --> 01:31:46,760
so where it is exactly I don't know it's

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01:31:49,540 --> 01:31:47,929
an interesting question it's worth

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01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:49,550
looking into but Graeme Bert saw was

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01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:51,110
absolutely right and I think he was I

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01:31:56,020 --> 01:31:52,730
think he was on the right track before

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01:31:58,359 --> 01:31:56,030
he sadly left this mortal coil well

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01:32:00,970 --> 01:31:58,369
gentlemen unfortunately we are getting

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01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:00,980
close to the end of the program so I

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01:32:06,009 --> 01:32:02,510
think that we were

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01:32:08,979 --> 01:32:06,019
go around and have you tell our

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01:32:11,529 --> 01:32:08,989
listeners where they can find out more

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01:32:13,509 --> 01:32:11,539
about you you know any upcoming projects

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01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:13,519
you know talks what's yours things like

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01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:15,530
that so Michael let's start to start

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01:32:20,770 --> 01:32:18,050
with you yep I just want to highlight

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01:32:23,709 --> 01:32:20,780
the two crossword puzzles that I have

2030
01:32:26,529 --> 01:32:23,719
available you just hit me up on Facebook

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01:32:29,890 --> 01:32:26,539
I'll send you a high-res 11 by 17 copy

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01:32:32,589 --> 01:32:29,900
and I'm offering $5,000 cash price for

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01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:32,599
the been rich crossword puzzle $5,000

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01:32:35,649 --> 01:32:34,489
cash prize for the b-2 stealth bomber

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01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:35,659
crossword puzzle

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01:32:42,430 --> 01:32:40,130
it's my pencil sharpener and I know that

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01:32:46,209 --> 01:32:42,440
you've got a number of articles on the

2038
01:32:49,149 --> 01:32:46,219
the open mind website that if you know

2039
01:32:51,819 --> 01:32:49,159
people want to catch up on some of these

2040
01:32:55,629 --> 01:32:51,829
just really fascinating cases that that

2041
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:55,639
michael has has looked at you can find

2042
01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:58,880
them there so any upcoming you know

2043
01:33:00,879 --> 01:33:00,320
talks or lectures you'll be doing

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01:33:03,370 --> 01:33:00,889
Michael

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01:33:06,069 --> 01:33:03,380
no no upcoming talks or lectures at this

2046
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:06,079
time well alright well and okay there's

2047
01:33:09,819 --> 01:33:07,460
been what about you where can people

2048
01:33:12,399 --> 01:33:09,829
find out more about you my website which

2049
01:33:14,140 --> 01:33:12,409
is HPA and wo hospital porters against

2050
01:33:16,540 --> 01:33:14,150
the new world order they're so awful lot

2051
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:16,550
there including of course sir you can

2052
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:18,409
now read the entire roswell trilogy from

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01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:20,090
beginning to end because i've just

2054
01:33:24,189 --> 01:33:22,280
completed the third book it's roswell

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01:33:25,810 --> 01:33:24,199
rising a novel of disclosure roswell

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01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:25,820
revealed a world after disclosure and

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01:33:31,229 --> 01:33:27,650
roswell redeemed humanity after

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01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:31,239
disclosure and you've got one of the

2059
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:35,329
video the channels on on youtube i mean

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01:33:37,660 --> 01:33:35,690
man you

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01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:37,670
you've got action in the street there i

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01:33:41,339 --> 01:33:40,010
mean you don't you don't take no for an

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01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:41,349
answer

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01:33:49,330 --> 01:33:46,369
yeah youtube go to youtube and what type

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01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:49,340
in your name or yeah i mean upon low HP

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01:33:55,810 --> 01:33:53,449
ANWR yeah alpha if the new world order

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can find you our listeners will be able

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01:34:02,200 --> 01:33:59,300
to find you finding things don't forget

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01:34:06,549 --> 01:34:02,210
our youtube channel which is mr. UF

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o--'s secret files and we've got we've

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01:34:12,939 --> 01:34:10,300
got some great books out we've got a

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trilogy of our own tim right we've got

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alien blood lust which has got corrales

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just

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put together he's the main contributor

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other day with a box and he was bent

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01:34:48,610 --> 01:34:46,280
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can't and you can get them at a discount

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